300ft Cat5e

[Scooterit]

Hi,

I have an urgent question.
The Cable company made the usual scew-ups in preparing the installation to our house that is about 100 yards from the road.

Long story short I am hoping that they are willing to bring the coax to a weather proof NEMA box. Plan is to install the modem - router and switch (has POE outlet) inside this box and run 250 - 300 feet Cat5e underground to the house. I know this is beyond the recommended specs'. But I am wandering what the real life experience is for a straight run of good quality network cable to an other switch.
The expected speed to this internet hub is 300/20 (Time Warner's max speed in our area).

Should I run Cat6?
Can I compensate for cable losses by connecting the long run to the POE outlet?

Other options would be a Wireless Bridge (Ubiquity) or fiber.

Please keep in mind that this solution is for the next 2 - 3 years until we build the new house and I will run a new trench for all utilities....

Thanks!

Rogier

 

[azazel1024]

100 meters is actual spec, 328ft. That is 90m solid core and 5+5m stranded cabling at each end. So you are within the spec, if actually 300ft or less.

The issue you'll have is if you are trying to run POE over that wire to whatever is in the box. I am supposing that is more than 3-4w of draw. You are likely going to have issues with Vdrop over a 300ft run, unless maybe you can do 48v DC POE, but I don't know how advisable it would be to do 48v DC even in outdoor rated cat cabling.

If you can power it at the box and are just relying on the cat cabling for data transmision, you are fine at that distance with cat5e.

A better question is, unless this is FttH, why not just extend the coax? 300ft isn't much for coax and you can maybe/possibly extend it yourself.

 

[Scooterit]

Thanks for the quick reply!

Just got word from Time Warner. They refuse to run the cable to a box at the gate. We have to run a conduit with a pull cable from the meter box to the street at our own expense. Pull permits etc etc. Since this is only a temporality solution I am not going to make the expenses only to retrench all services once we start the construction of the new house.

Will go with cainternet and get a wireless connection with dedicated bandwith.

 

[stevech]

I run about 300' of cat5e from den in house to detached garage/shop where the DSL modem/router is located (TimeWarner owned).
Works fine for many years at 100BT. No need for gigE.

If there's an issue, unlikely, perhaps you can put a cheap switch midway in the run to regenerate the signals.

Wireless - need full IP? or just a sensor at the gate to link back?

 

[azazel1024]

Thanks for the quick reply!

Just got word from Time Warner. They refuse to run the cable to a box at the gate. We have to run a conduit with a pull cable from the meter box to the street at our own expense. Pull permits etc etc. Since this is only a temporality solution I am not going to make the expenses only to retrench all services once we start the construction of the new house.

Will go with cainternet and get a wireless connection with dedicated bandwith.

You need to do permiting where you are for basic trenching? I don't in my county for something basic that is on my own property and such forth. I am supposed to call the local utilities to find out where their stuff runs on my property, but that is it. It is all low voltage, so it falls outside permiting requirements.

At any rate, you might be lucky, CaCo would likely charge you something like $2-4 per FOOT for the run, maybe more. When I called Comcast about an extension (~500-550ft is what the run would have been) from the street to a house I was looking at buying (all other houses were connected, but the one I was looking at never was, and the box was at the street, but it was a LONG flag lot back to a 2 acre property) wanted $6.50 per foot for the run, even though it was VERY basic trenching and they didn't need any other equipment to install for it.

They were willing to credit my service up to 25% per month for 2 years. So only like $4000 to get hooked up...but hey, they'd kick back the equivelent of maybe $500 over 2 years if I told them yes and paid the ENTIRE $4,000 before work started. I asked if I could run the wire and trench it myself and they told me they don't allow customer initiated hookups. The only way they'd hook me up is if I paid them to run it.

So at least you are lucky enough that TWC would allow you to do it yourself.

 

[Scooterit]

Thanks for tall the quick help. Next week CaInternet wil install the 10/2 leased wireless line.

Once I know where the future house will be located I will rent a trencher and dig it myself and put the conduit into the ground myself

While I have the trencher I will also run the direct burial to other locations on the property for security camera's, smart sprinkler system etc