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hungarianhc

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Hi All,

This product intrigues me! I don't have massive storage needs, and the smaller, lower power, cuter enclosure is neat. I'm curious about performance vs. the 3.5" models, though. Has anyone had a chance to play with this? Anyone know which CPU it has? Thanks!
 
I just got the one I ordered. It's a cute little thing. It has a 16-bit Marvell running at 1.6 GHz, with 256 MB of DDR3. Same as the RS411.
http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/What_kind_of_CPU_does_my_NAS_have

That's the primary reason I picked it over the DS411j (1.2 GHz, 128 MB of DDR2). Synology's own product performance page says the 411slim is faster despite using 2.5" drives. The j seemed unnecessarily crippled to me, and I was more interested in transfer speeds than in max capacity.
http://www.synology.com/us/products/4-5bay_perf.php

The transfer speeds in this review were very impressive, and (as expected) nearly identical to the RS411. I'm guessing the difference in sequential read speed was due to the 3.5" drives being faster than the 2.5" drives.
http://www.kitguru.net/networking/zardon/synology-diskstation-ds411-slim-review-2-5-inch-nas/

On a hunch, I bought some SATA data/power extender cables and plugged my old 3.5" RAID-1 drives into it. Like I figured, the 411slim can't transmit enough power to start both drives from a cold start. Kick-starting the drives from a dead stop seems to draw too much power, and it automatically shuts down. But it does kick-start the platters. If I immediately restart before they lose their inertia, there's less power needed and it starts up just fine.

That's right, I have the DS411slim running with two 1.5 TB 3.5" drives attached to it. It's formatting right now. Definitely not something you want to do if you want a portable solution. But I was just looking for something faster than the DS411j which would sit at my desk 24/7, and didn't want to pay $300 more for the DS411+.

I'm not sure this would work with more than two 3.5" drives, and I wouldn't want to reboot like this too often for fear of burning out the power circuitry. Maybe if you got an external enclosure with power for the drives, you could run 4 3.5" drives this way? The important thing is my hunch was right - the hardware doesn't really care if the drives are 2.5" or 3.5". Probably all the drives on the 3.5" compatibility list will work, along with future 2.5" drives with larger capacity. The only parts that care that the drives are 2.5" are the power and the physical enclosures.

Synology says aside from the different hardware, all their units run the exact same Diskstation software and have the same capabilities. So I've got my faster-than-a-411j and cheaper-than-a-411+ NAS.
 
You could wire up things so the 3.5 in. drives you add are powered by a good 12V source like a laptop power brick.

Also, I recall reading that some new drives have some slow-start or random delay to avoid all-at-once power consumption at startup.
 
Just to follow up, I ordered a 4-bay 3.5" drive cage (only needed 2 bays, but figure best to keep my options open) and a 60W picoPSU for a more permanent solution. Also some SATA extenders from Monoprice since the drives will now be getting power from the PSU instead of the NAS. All this will plug into an ancient surge protector with power switches for each outlet that I got 15 years ago. That way I can spin up the drives before I turn on the NAS.

I haven't decided yet if I want to go with four 3.5" drives, or start populating this with 2.5" drives. I opened up the Seagate 2.5" 1.5 TB external drive I bought to copy over data from my old RAID to the NAS (since I re-used the original drives). It will fit in the DS411slim, but there's virtually no clearance between it and the next drive bay (it's taller than your regular 2.5" drive). So unless you insert it next to an empty bay, it's probably not going to get enough airflow to stay cool. Fortunately, due to my Frankenstein setup, I have at least two empty bays. :D

I'm waiting for the cage and PSU to arrive before I try converting the 2.5" drive to part of the SHD array. I don't foresee any problems, but I'll be sure to report how it goes.
 
Haha so do I understand it that you're using the DS411slim with an external drive cage and 3.5" drives???
 
Yup, I have the DS411slim running with 3.5" drives right now.

The cage and power supply got here early and I just finished assembling everything. It actually works pretty well if you don't mind the mess of wires hanging out the back. It's definitely not portable, but like I said I was just gonna shove it under the desk and forget about it. The drives are a little noisier with only the thin aluminum wall supporting them, and the fan is a little noisier than I would have liked. I'm gonna see about wrapping the whole thing in some insulation or something to cut down the drive noise, and undervolt the fan to cut down its RPM and noise. Maybe snip the wires to the annoying blue LEDs while I'm at it.

If anyone else is thinking of trying this, I'd recommend you get SATA power+data cable extenders + SATA data cable extenders. The SATA data-only extenders have little notches on the side which you have to cut off, and they don't grip into the SATA ports in the NAS very well. There's a danger they could fall out from a little jostling, forcing a rebuild of your RAID array. The single-piece power+data extenders plug in just like a HDD and grip really well. So I have NAS -> SATA power+data extender -> SATA data extender -> HDD. I hope the combined 38" of data cable length isn't hurting performance. If I had it to do over again, I'd go with shorter cables to keep things a little neater.

The picoPSU worked as expected. I'm not sure if 60W is enough to simultaneously power up four 3.5" drives. They're supposed to need 20-30 W each on spin-up. But I noticed that the NAS powers up the drives one after the other, so theoretically all four drives should not be drawing peak power simultaneously. 3.5" HDDs typically only draw about 10 W max once spun up, so 60W should be plenty during normal use.

I did have to short pins 14 and 15 on the picoPSU with a paper clip to get it to power up (normally these pins connect to the power switch on your computer). On a normal power supply, the wires to these pins are colored green (signal) and black (ground). The picoPSU doesn't have cables so I kinda had to guess. Fortunately, the symmetric pins (16 and 17) are both ground so there was no harm in guessing wrong.

Enough of the construction details. Here's what you've been waiting for - performance:

DS411slim_diskmark.png


Right now my DS411slim is hooked up to two Seagate 1.5 TB 7200 RPM ST31500341AS 3.5" drives. Yes, the notorious click of death drives which ruined Seagate's reputation. I made sure to flash them with the firmware fix before using them, and they've served me fine for 2 years. I allocated 100 GB of the NAS to iSCSI and mapped that as a local drive, then ran CrystalDiskMark on it. About 1.2 TB of the 1.36 TB is full, so it's possible this is only reflecting performance on a section of the disks, rather than an average. Jumbo frames are off.

The 4k reads could be a little better, but otherwise this is pretty much indistinguishable from any of my older HDDs mounted locally. I'm happy with it. Significantly better than the sequential 40 MB/s reads and 20-30 MB/s writes I was reading from the DS411j reviews. The drives are reporting 33C and 34C temps, so no problems on that end.

I'm gonna clear the data off the 2.5" 1.5 TB drive, add it to the SHR array, then see if performance changes. Then decide if I should stick with 3.5" drives or can live with 2.5" drives. Long-term, when 10 Gbps ethernet is common and 60 MB/s is considered slow, I'd like to transition this to entirely 2.5" drives for portability and maybe use it as a media server. But for now, this is fine.
 
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38 inch SATA cables....
eSATA has a specification with wider voltage swings so that longer (higher capacitance) cables can be used.
SATA (not eSATA) ports are supposed to drive, what, 1m cables? Or is it like 12 inches?

With too much capacitance, the margins are reduced and the bit error rate goes up. Hopefully, such bit errors are detected and corrected by SATA controllers.
 
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