XboxOne Lagging

[TomT]

Hi
We've got an xboxone and whether connected via Ethernet or wireless there always seems to be an issue with lag.

I've got an 80/20 fibre connection which works fine, but not for this. Any suggestions as to how I need to set this up correctly?

Under virtual server / port forwarding I've got the Xbox live profile added and pointing to the correct device / IP address.

In QoS I've got the Xbox with medium priority, but that should be fine as there is no high priority devices active at night.

Any other ideas ?
Thanks

 

[BreakingDad]

Hi
We've got an xboxone and whether connected via Ethernet or wireless there always seems to be an issue with lag.

I've got an 80/20 fibre connection which works fine, but not for this. Any suggestions as to how I need to set this up correctly?

Under virtual server / port forwarding I've got the Xbox live profile added and pointing to the correct device / IP address.

In QoS I've got the Xbox with medium priority, but that should be fine as there is no high priority devices active at night.

Any other ideas ?
Thanks

You should not need the Xbox Live profile added.

Please ensure upnp is enabled on both router (under wan) and console, this will allow upnp to assign port forwarding.

The manually assigned DHCP address should be fine.

I would personally turn off Qos for the xbox and set a bandwidth (limiter under qos) throttle on it of 20down and 1up.

The throttle will stop you being made host as often on fps type games, improving your game experience.

Also please change the dns servers on the xbox connection settings itself to 8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8 ; these are googles dns servers and they should automatically assign a dns server that is near your locality as there are many of them worldwide.

Cold reboot your router and xbox with a gap of 2 min between.

Enjoy. (please report back)

 

[TomT]

Cheers. I'll try these suggestion tonight / tomorrow and see if they make any difference.
I just need to get my son to test it..

 

[Nullity]

I would personally turn off Qos for the xbox and set a bandwidth (limiter under qos) throttle on it of 20down and 1up.

The throttle will stop you being made host as often on fps type games, improving your game experience.

How does the throttling help?
I would be hesitant to limit bandwidth because that directly impacts latency. Transmission Delay
If throttling is actually useful, I would only limit downloads.

I would completely disable QoS/limiters unless you are constantly saturating your connection.
Does anyone use torrents on your network? Torrent traffic usually affects latency-sensitive in a very negative way.

 

[BreakingDad]

How does the throttling help?
I would be hesitant to limit bandwidth because that directly impacts latency. Transmission Delay
If throttling is actually useful, I would only limit downloads.

I would completely disable QoS/limiters unless you are constantly saturating your connection.
Does anyone use torrents on your network? Torrent traffic usually affects latency-sensitive in a very negative way.

The Throttling only helps if the player is playing fps type games; call of duty/black ops being the main ones. You don't actually have to throttle the download at all, but throttling the upload tricks the game into thinking you have a worse connection than you actually do, thus it will pick another player to become "host" of the game. The host in black ops / cod has lag compensation put on them to compensate for being host, and this gives the effect of not being able to hit a thing and an angry child. It is not perfect but it does severely reduce the amount of games you are host in. You can feel it when you play, 25 1 , 23 1 then suddently u score 7 17 - did u suddenly lose your skill? no - you were lag compensated.

I throttle all our 4 consoles to 20/1 on a 150/12 connection and never have any problems with lag. This is why for me the bandwidth limiter is an essential part of any firmware, I used to use this trick on my tp link before going over to asus. Try it for yourself.

Also we have this problem regularly on this forum.

Please read post #25 on this thread, where a user called Brandon tried this trick
http://www.snbforums.com/threads/asus-router-lag-issues-on-fps-games.23756/page-2#post-179505

This was in the days before asus had a band width limiter. Now you don't need to change to Tomato, luckily.

 

[TomT]

Hi
I work from home so I use QoS to give my office devices priority during the day over any home equipment.
At night they office devices are running, but using very little bandwidth. (less then 100kb)

If I've understood the QoS correctly a low priority device will have full access to the Internet at full speed if a higher priority device doesn't need it.
It should only be restricted if a higher priority device requires the bandwidth.
I'd like to keep the QoS on if possible, as my work has to take priority and I use VoIP phones, so need to ensure the bandwidth.

My son has issues playing Fifa, Call of Duty etc, he always tells me its lagging.
When I look at the router stats there is virtually no bandwidth being used by anything..
There are no torrents and the odd but of IP TV, but I've yet to see any real hit on the bandwidth at night.

Thanks

 

[BreakingDad]

Yes, consoles use very little bandwidth, so logically if you must use QOS you could put the xbox to highest priority.

 

[Nullity]

The Throttling only helps if the player is playing fps type games; call of duty/black ops being the main ones. You don't actually have to throttle the download at all, but throttling the upload tricks the game into thinking you have a worse connection than you actually do, thus it will pick another player to become "host" of the game. The host in black ops / cod has lag compensation put on them to compensate for being host, and this gives the effect of not being able to hit a thing and an angry child. It is not perfect but it does severely reduce the amount of games you are host in. You can feel it when you play, 25 1 , 23 1 then suddently u score 7 17 - did u suddenly lose your skill? no - you were lag compensated.

I throttle all our 4 consoles to 20/1 on a 150/12 connection and never have any problems with lag. This is why for me the bandwidth limiter is an essential part of any firmware, I used to use this trick on my tp link before going over to asus. Try it for yourself.

Also we have this problem regularly on this forum.

Please read post #25 on this thread, where a user called Brandon tried this trick
http://www.snbforums.com/threads/asus-router-lag-issues-on-fps-games.23756/page-2#post-179505

This was in the days before asus had a band width limiter. Now you don't need to change to Tomato, luckily.

Interesting. I played Counter Strike years ago, and like with the strange good luck rituals of sports (like pistol pete never changing his socks), much of what makes a player "better" is far from scientific. It does not need to make sense when it works.

Anyway, if you can increase the upload's limit it would probably be best because at 1Mbit the transmission latency for an MTU-sized packet is 12 milliseconds, which will define your worst-case latency fluctuation. At 20Mbit, the worst-case latency drops to below 1 millisecond. Perhaps nothing, perhaps everything.

Some day I would like to incorportate a simple way of using HFSC with AsusWRT, so that you could separately define bandwidth and latency of certain traffic types. (Like allocating 20Mbit latency [sub-millisecond] but 1Mbit bandwidth.)


PS - Consoles can actually can use tons of bandwidth since multi-gigabyte updates are not uncommon. If you can separate the console's bulk downloads from the FPS traffic, it would be best. Prioritizing all traffic from the xbox IP is a less than optimal option.

 

[muffintastic]

In your router make sure the following ports are like mine.

Also make sure you have your Xbox One as a STATIC IP and not DHCP, also turn QoS off, waste of time.

 

[gffmac]

Maybe try mac based Bandwidth limiter, set maximums for the most hungry devices.

 

[BreakingDad]

Interesting. I played Counter Strike years ago, and like with the strange good luck rituals of sports (like pistol pete never changing his socks), much of what makes a player "better" is far from scientific. It does not need to make sense when it works.

Anyway, if you can increase the upload's limit it would probably be best because at 1Mbit the transmission latency for an MTU-sized packet is 12 milliseconds, which will define your worst-case latency fluctuation. At 20Mbit, the worst-case latency drops to below 1 millisecond. Perhaps nothing, perhaps everything.

Some day I would like to incorportate a simple way of using HFSC with AsusWRT, so that you could separately define bandwidth and latency of certain traffic types. (Like allocating 20Mbit latency [sub-millisecond] but 1Mbit bandwidth.)


PS - Consoles can actually can use tons of bandwidth since multi-gigabyte updates are not uncommon. If you can separate the console's bulk downloads from the FPS traffic, it would be best. Prioritizing all traffic from the xbox IP is a less than optimal option.

I to played counterstrike from beta4 to 1.6, 10 years of being in a clan, up to 5 matches a night, online leagues ; ed, csgn,bwcsl, ukcsl, lan tournaments. Yes, Familiar with all the gibberish - interp 0.01234, gg_smokes, bunnyhops, wallbangs and all the rest of it. Now retired and leave the fps (mostly) to the youngsters, prefer to play heroes of the storm and elite dangerous(just started) these days.

p.s. I can still knock in a 1.4 kd on cod, even with my failing vision. The kids need to learn to be silent

Bandwidth wise for the updates you can leave the download without a throttle, I find 20mb ample though. To get the lag compensation cancelation on the upload though it needs to be lower than everyone elses, thats why I suggest 1mb, as most people have more than that these days. Anything higher and you run the risk of being made host of the game and getting compensated (lagged) accordingly.

 

[Nullity]

I to played counterstrike from beta4 to 1.6, 10 years of being in a clan, up to 5 matches a night, online leagues ; ed, csgn,bwcsl, ukcsl, lan tournaments. Yes, Familiar with all the gibberish - interp 0.01234, gg_smokes, bunnyhops, wallbangs and all the rest of it. Now retired and leave the fps (mostly) to the youngsters, prefer to play heroes of the storm and elite dangerous(just started) these days.

p.s. I can still knock in a 1.4 kd on cod, even with my failing vision. The kids need to learn to be silent

I would endlessly tweak params like cmdrate & interp while my friend would make fun of me and destroy me in CS. Even my 3M Precise Mousing Surface was no help, lol.

 

[BreakingDad]

I would endlessly tweak params like cmdrate & interp while my friend would make fun of me and destroy me in CS. Even my 3M Precise Mousing Surface was no help, lol.

oh memories, cmdrate and updaterate, i had the func 1080 surface and even used "mouseskates" for a while.

 

[TomT]

Hi sorry for the lack of any update.

My son had gone quiet so I'd forgotten about this.

He's Niue have the issues again.. How do I restrict/ throttle the connection to the Xbox one ?

Thanks

 

[el pescador]

Questions.
1.What games are you playing?Are they P2P?
2.Whats your isp?

Plusnet were horrible when they introduced 80/20
40/10 oddly was fine.
They had gateways which had 30000+ on at one time....their poor routers must have been quite hot if they needed to traffic shape which i suspect they did quite a lot.

If you are on one of those isps which affect p2p online games either move isp or try a vpn which can bypass any kind of throttling.
I had to choose this option because i was tied into my current isp through their mobile phone contract.
Surprisingly the vpn works.
Lower speed and slightly higher ping but gameplay on fifa is a lot better
No treading in treacle when im sprinting or turning and my passes dont go weak when i want to play it longer.

 

[TomT]

Hi. I'm on an 80/20 business package from plusnet with enhanced care.

I can't move from them yet as the company I work for pays the contact. I wonder if I call them if they can do anything about it..

Is the vpn from the Xbox or the router?
Thanks

 

[el pescador]

Id call them first and explain.
Take it your having issues on p2p games like cod and fifa?

VPN goes on the router.
NOt sure if an xbox can run a vpn....ps4 cant.

 

[TomT]

Hi
Thanks for the reply. He is having issues gaming in CoD and Fifa..

I'm reluctant to setup a VPN as I work from home and have links into the office.. so don't really want to start creating VPN links to unknown locations.

I'll contact Plusnet and see what they say.

Thanks

 

[el pescador]

Good luck with plusnet.
One thing the people who had issues didn't mention at the time was fifa seasons and fut is played over p2p.
Hope they change their prioritisation for you but if it means all p2p traffic gets priority i doubt they will.

Some fo their gateways had 30000+ people on at any one time.
So think it will be hard for them to change.

 

[TomT]

As I'm on a business account there is no prioritisation on p2p or gaming traffic.. Only choce would be to change to a home user account .... Which I can't do.