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Gnome10

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I live in an extremely congested wifi environment. I don't even use the 2.4Ghz band except for low bandwidth devices.

I was doing some reconfiguration yesterday with my new router (Asus RT-AC66U_B1). I have, up to this point, relied on a AP RT-N66R router for best signal, and put it in the center of my apartment (yes, congestion is so bad here, we need a separate access point).

During the day (when most people here are away), I started testing. Baseline N66R speeds were 80-90 Mbps, max. The same settings on the AC66U were generating speeds ranging from 15% to up to 50% better (110-150), located in the same exact spot. I just assume the AC66U has better hardware, power, etc. When I upped the channel bandwidth to 80 Mhz (selected 20/40/80), the speed shot through the roof - sometimes 300-400 Mbps, especially on my 802.11AC capable devices - never seen that kind of bandwidth on wifi here. Even older machines, with only 802.11n, had 200Mbps pretty consistently.

Then, all my neighbors came home. And, as expected, the speeds started decreasing. Then out of the blue the signal went dead (no 5 Ghz). The router was alive, and no issue logging in on the 2.4Ghz. So, I've read up on DFS channels, so I'm aware the router will force the 5Ghz radio off if it detects radar, etc, on those bands - and the system was behaving like this was the case - but I wasn't on a DFS channel (I was on 149 here in the USA).

I was expecting a speed reduction during congested hours, but I was not expecting the Asus to simply turn off the 5Ghz band. Does anyone have any insight on this? I thought the 20/40/80 bandwidth selection allows the router to auto-decide the best bandwidth given the congestion in the spectrum - I didn't think it would just cut it off. I switched back to 20 MHz, and it appears stable, but that's really not ideal.
 
While not ideal for you as a user, it seems like it is the best you can expect for your WiFi environment as described.
 
While not ideal for you as a user, it seems like it is the best you can expect for your WiFi environment as described.

I understand that the router will back off, reduce bandwidth, to mitigate interference (not only for me, but my neighbors), and as already stated, I'm fine with the reduced speeds when everyone is home, but why did the 5 Ghz just cut out completely?
 
I think Channel 149 is a DFS Channel? How long did you wait to see if the 5GHz band came back? It could be up to 5 minutes is my understanding.
 
I think Channel 149 is a DFS Channel? How long did you wait to see if the 5GHz band came back? It could be up to 5 minutes is my understanding.

I honestly couldn't tell you. I was coincidentally setting up something else, and thought it was related (it wasn't) - I thought I messed something up. But, after repeated attempts, I'm pretty sure it was longer than 5 minutes. The 5Ghz signal was definitely not present, as even inSSider couldn't see it.

Really, 149 is DFS in the USA? I thought I've seen a bunch of charts saying otherwise, but maybe I was reading the wrong country. It would explain it, but the timing of increased neighbor interference would be odd coincidence.
 
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Yes, But it might be your WIFI card that can't take that channel?

Works perfectly fine right now (during the day), on all devices I've used (which are more than 10). (WiFi) Bandwidth speeds are 300-400 Mbps right now. My guess is I will mysteriously lose the 5 Ghz later in the day, just like before.
 
I'm getting something very similar when I use the upper 5Ghz channels. I've tested this with a RT-AX88U and RT-AC5300 independently and if I choose any upper channels 149-161 and run at 80Mhz the signal strength goes very low or gone completely. If I reduce it to 40Mhz the signal returns to the proper levels and I get about 250Mbit/sec throughput. Clients typically can connect but cannot transfer much of anything. What's weird is I'm in a fairly open wifi space with only my neighbor's AP using ch1 on the 2.4Ghz band and only occasionally do I see his very weak wifi signal (-80 to -90) on the upper 5Ghz channels. I have no issue running on ch36@80Mhz and get over 500Mbits -750Mbits using iperf on my desktop and samsung s10. I would really like to know whats going on with my routers that makes it act this way on those upper channels.
 
I'm getting something very similar when I use the upper 5Ghz channels.

Same, I've backed it off to 40Mhz bandwidth, and it's been rock solid. Someone maybe should contact Asus directly to ask if this is part of the protocol, or a bug.
 
I have exactly the same issue. On the XT8, the 5ghz-2 network on channels 100-140 (all DFS in the UK) will never transmit above 20mhz channel width. Above that, the channel never appears and appears to be switched off - I can find nothing in the logs to explain why, no DFS events, no errors.

Here's an example of the system wifi log for the 5ghz-2 channel set to a fixed 40mhz bandwidth on channel 136 - nothing I understand as a problem, but it is not visible and I don't believe it's actually running:

SSID: "Asus 5Ghz-2"
noise: -82 dBm Channel: 136u
BSSID: F0:2F:74:27:0A:78 Capability: ESS RRM
Supported Rates: [ 6(b) 9 12(b) 18 24(b) 36 48 54 ]
HE Capable:
Chanspec: 5GHz channel 134 40MHz (0xd986)
Primary channel: 136
HT Capabilities: 40Mhz SGI20 SGI40
Supported HT MCS : 0-32
Supported VHT MCS:
NSS1 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS2 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS3 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS4 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
Supported HE MCS:
80 Mhz:
NSS1 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS2 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS3 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS4 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
160 Mhz:
NSS1 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS2 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS3 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS4 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11

Interference Level: Acceptable
Mode : AP Only

DFS status: state In-Service Monitoring(ISM) time elapsed 196950ms radar channel cleared by DFS channel 136u (0xD986)

Channel Information
----------------------------------------
Channel 100 A Band, RADAR Sensitive
Channel 104 A Band, RADAR Sensitive
Channel 108 A Band, RADAR Sensitive
Channel 112 A Band, RADAR Sensitive
Channel 116 A Band, RADAR Sensitive, Passive
Channel 120 A Band, RADAR Sensitive, Passive
Channel 124 A Band, RADAR Sensitive, Passive
Channel 128 A Band, RADAR Sensitive, Passive
Channel 132 A Band, RADAR Sensitive
Channel 136 A Band, RADAR Sensitive
Channel 140 A Band, RADAR Sensitive

Stations List
----------------------------------------
idx MAC Associated Authorized RSSI PHY PSM SGI STBC MUBF NSS BW Tx rate Rx rate Connect Time


If I set the channel bandwidth back to 20mhz, it will re-appear. Which is not very helpful :/

The last appearance of eth6 (the 5ghz-2 interface) in the system log is:

Mar 28 10:45:08 acsd: eth6: selected channel spec: 0xd966 (104u)
Mar 28 10:45:08 acsd: eth6: Adjusted channel spec: 0xd966 (104u)
Mar 28 10:45:08 acsd: eth6: selected channel spec: 0xd966 (104u)
Mar 28 10:45:08 acsd: acs_set_chspec: 0xd966 (104u) for reason APCS_INIT
 
I have exactly the same issue. On the XT8, the 5ghz-2 network on channels 100-140 (all DFS in the UK) will never transmit above 20mhz channel width. Above that, the channel never appears and appears to be switched off - I can find nothing in the logs to explain why, no DFS events, no errors.

Here's an example of the system wifi log for the 5ghz-2 channel set to a fixed 40mhz bandwidth on channel 136 - nothing I understand as a problem, but it is not visible and I don't believe it's actually running:

SSID: "Asus 5Ghz-2"
noise: -82 dBm Channel: 136u
BSSID: F0:2F:74:27:0A:78 Capability: ESS RRM
Supported Rates: [ 6(b) 9 12(b) 18 24(b) 36 48 54 ]
HE Capable:
Chanspec: 5GHz channel 134 40MHz (0xd986)
Primary channel: 136
HT Capabilities: 40Mhz SGI20 SGI40
Supported HT MCS : 0-32
Supported VHT MCS:
NSS1 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS2 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS3 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS4 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
Supported HE MCS:
80 Mhz:
NSS1 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS2 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS3 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS4 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
160 Mhz:
NSS1 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS2 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS3 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11
NSS4 Tx: 0-11 Rx: 0-11

Interference Level: Acceptable
Mode : AP Only

DFS status: state In-Service Monitoring(ISM) time elapsed 196950ms radar channel cleared by DFS channel 136u (0xD986)

Channel Information
----------------------------------------
Channel 100 A Band, RADAR Sensitive
Channel 104 A Band, RADAR Sensitive
Channel 108 A Band, RADAR Sensitive
Channel 112 A Band, RADAR Sensitive
Channel 116 A Band, RADAR Sensitive, Passive
Channel 120 A Band, RADAR Sensitive, Passive
Channel 124 A Band, RADAR Sensitive, Passive
Channel 128 A Band, RADAR Sensitive, Passive
Channel 132 A Band, RADAR Sensitive
Channel 136 A Band, RADAR Sensitive
Channel 140 A Band, RADAR Sensitive

Stations List
----------------------------------------
idx MAC Associated Authorized RSSI PHY PSM SGI STBC MUBF NSS BW Tx rate Rx rate Connect Time


If I set the channel bandwidth back to 20mhz, it will re-appear. Which is not very helpful :/

The last appearance of eth6 (the 5ghz-2 interface) in the system log is:

Mar 28 10:45:08 acsd: eth6: selected channel spec: 0xd966 (104u)
Mar 28 10:45:08 acsd: eth6: Adjusted channel spec: 0xd966 (104u)
Mar 28 10:45:08 acsd: eth6: selected channel spec: 0xd966 (104u)
Mar 28 10:45:08 acsd: acs_set_chspec: 0xd966 (104u) for reason APCS_INIT
In Europe you should avoid any 40Mhz or 80Mhz channels above channel 112. You either hit spectrum that needs 10 minutes CAC time to detect weather radar or hit channels that are limited to SRD (25mW). Pick your channels from:
1) 36-48: no DFS
2) 52-64: 1 minute CAC time for DFS
3) 100-112: 1 minute CAC time for DFS
 

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