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Hi all, I'm looking for some help in choosing a new router specifically from the ASUS range.

I am looking for something that will operate in isolation (not having to use multiple routers and mesh networking).

The main aim of the new router is better reach and speed of the WiFi signal around the house. I work from home on the second floor of the house (ground, first, second) and at the moment I get a weak signal in my office and the speed peaks out at 40mbit on 2.4ghz and 70mbit on 5ghz.

Secondly I need strong parental controls to manage what and when devices can access the internet etc.

Thirdly something that is future proof, that should last me over the next 5+ years.

I'd rather not spend at the top end of my budget if I don't need to and I'm currently choosing between the Asus RT-AX88u Pro or the RT-BE92u both which are actually at the top end of my budget. There's not much difference between them in price but I'm speculating why Asus state the AX88u Pro is marketed as suitable for "very large homes" (because it supports 4x4 streams for both 2.4g and 5g??) and whether that might be the better choice over the WiFi 7 and triband capable BE92u but only suitable for "larger homes"?

I guess the Rt-AX86u pro could also be a good option but I noted that the spec for the 88u pro stated higher speeds for WiFi 5 devices.

Background...
I'm in the UK and I currently have 150mbit FTTP with Sky broadband and use Sky's own router. Sky usually only allows their own router to be connected but I've found out that Asus routers generally work with Sky because they support the specific setting that sky requires I.e.DHCP option 61. It's seems not many other router brands support this. Consequently I've narrowed my search to only Asus routers though I do know that apparently some Netgear routers may also work.

Our home is a terraced house, 1800 sq ft over 3 floors (ground, first and second floor). My working from home office is on the top floor. The house is a modern UK construction with more hollow plasterboard walls and very few concrete walls. Due to the layout of the house, the Fibre terminates by our front door and this is where the router is located, centre but front of the house. Unfortunately there was no better option to get the Telco engineer to locate the termination point without having fibre
cable being visibly and carefully laid around the house. It's hard to now retrospectively find a central location to locate a router and lay a cabled backhaul though this would have been my preference.

Devices wise, we mainly have 2.4ghz or 5ghz devices that are mostly WiFi 5 compatible. Maybe a phone or two and a laptop that support WiFi6 but not 6E let alone WiFi7. We have a number of smart devices around the house... Wireless printers, Smart TV, wireless soundbar, smart speakers/assistant, thermostat, plugs. bulbs etc etc. so we need a router that can manage all those.

We are a household of three including an 8 year old child. We currently don't do any gaming and don't have a console but may get one in the next couple of years but don't see ourselves as hardcore gamers. I work from home and need reliable and fast access to Teams video calls and office 365 incl OneDrive and Teams files. The 150mbit connection feels more than sufficient for our needs for now but as prices come down over the years and needs increase, we could move to a much faster connection e.g. 500mbps, 1gbps.

TIA for your help!
 
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Hi all, I'm looking for some help in choosing a new router specifically from the ASUS range.

I am looking for something that will operate in isolation (not having to use multiple routers and mesh networking).

The main aim of the new router is better reach and speed of the WiFi signal around the house. I work from home on the second floor of the house (ground, first, second) and at the moment I get a weak signal in my office and the speed peaks out at 40mbit on 2.4ghz and 70mbit on 5ghz.

I feel like you're setting yourself up for failure with this framing of your requirements. The dirty secret of wifi range is that it's largely determined by your client devices not your router. If I'm reading wikipedia correctly, under UK regulations your router is allowed to have transmit power up to 200mW (23dBm). But phones, laptops, etc typically only transmit 15-30mW (12-15dBm). It does no good for the clients to hear the router's signal if the router can't hear the clients, so it's mostly the clients' Tx power that determines how far away things will work well.

So in the context of what you're doing, I fear that just replacing one router with another isn't going to get you much. The real fix for your poor-wifi-upstairs problem is going to be another AP (router) placed closer to those clients. It would be best if you can run an ethernet cable to that AP, but if you can't then you'll have to settle for mesh. (Unless ... is the house wired for cable TV by any chance? If you can repurpose cable-TV coax for MoCA, that's a very decent second choice.)

Given your other comments about the speeds of your client devices and ISP connection, you're not going to get value-for-money out of a top-of-the-line router anyway. Buy something cheaper that you can afford two of, and make sure it's models that are optimized for meshing.
 
Given your other comments about the speeds of your client devices and ISP connection, you're not going to get value-for-money out of a top-of-the-line router anyway. Buy something cheaper that you can afford two of, and make sure it's models that are optimized for meshing.
To be concrete ... I don't know what prices you're looking at in the UK, but in the US I see these prices on Amazon:
  • RT-AX88U Pro $260
  • RT-BE92U $300
  • XT8 2-pack: $263
  • XT9 2-pack: $263
I feel a bit queasy recommending the XT8s, because I had a not very impressive experience with them two years ago. But Asus has had two years to fix the firmware, and I don't think they're selling the v1 hardware anymore either. So probably those'd be fine. I have no experience with the XT9s; maybe someone else here can comment on them. In any case, if you want Asus gear I think you'll be best off with two or more units of one of the Zenwifi models, rather than a single top-of-the-line model. You need coverage, not top drag race speed.
 
@tgl many many thanks for your time and the detailed and honest response. I'm glad I gave all the context as I feel it have you better context to give a better answer.

Would the more superior beamforming on the routers I've mentioned really not help my situation? As you said, for the router to better hear the relatively quiet client devices upstairs?

Also thinking about the point you raised, I get the full 30mbit upstream speed around the house, it's just the downstream speeds that drop off pretty quickly. Surely low broadcast power client devices would more impact the upstream speeds rather than the downstream speeds?

Just FYI the prices in the UK for the different models as follows:
88u Pro -£246
92u - £260
X8 pair - £330
X9 pair -£380

I need to check whether the X8/9 will give the parental controls I need.

Alternatively can I get a lower end main router and pair with a single X8/9 unit to create the mesh. Though I think a single X8/9 unit seems like it's quite expensive :-O (~£200?).
 
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Our home is a terraced house, 1800 sq ft over 3 floors (ground, first and second floor). My working from home office is on the top floor.
Which floor is your router currently on?
Just FYI the prices in the UK for the different models as follows:
What is the price for RT-AX86U Pro and GT-AX6000?
I'm currently choosing between the Asus RT-AX88u Pro or the RT-BE92u
RT-BE92u is the wrong choice for you.
RT-AX88U Pro or RT-AX86U Pro or GT-AX6000 fir single router.
Instead of XT8/9 pair it might be cheaper to choose TP-Link Deco pair X20/X50/X60?
www.tp-link.com/uk/home-networking/deco/?filterby=5730
www.tp-link.com/uk/support/faq/3900/

PS: @ColinTaylor Can you tell us more about Sky's requirements in the UK?
 
Would the more superior beamforming on the routers I've mentioned really not help my situation?

Maybe, but I don't have a lot of faith in beamforming in consumer routers with user-adjustable antenna positioning. Beamforming is hard enough in gear where the designer knows all the antenna positions to a gnat's eyelash. It's going to be mostly a crapshoot in any of these spidery hey-you-can-play-with-the-antennas units.

Now, there is gear with intentionally non-omnidirectional antennas; for instance APs intended for ceiling mounting typically have much better gain out the front ("down" in normal mounting) than out the back. I was considering suggesting that you use one of those upside-down to propagate towards upstairs. But generally speaking units like that are just APs, not routers, so you'd still need a router. So I'm not sure you can go that way within your budget.

Just FYI the prices in the UK for the different models as follows:
88u Pro -£246
92u - £260
X8 pair - £330
X9 pair -£380

Huh, I wonder why the XTs are relatively so much more expensive there? Although it does look like the XT prices I'm seeing on Amazon US might be temporary sale prices. With holidays coming up, you could hope for a sale. Also there are cheaper models in the Zenwifi line such as the XD5, though I have no personal experience with them.

I need to check whether the X8/9 will give the parental controls I need.

I might be wrong, but I think all the AIMesh-firmware models have basically the same feature set as far as that goes.

Alternatively can I get a lower end main router and pair with a single X8/9 unit to create the mesh. Though I think a single X8/9 unit seems like it's quite expensive :-O (~£200?).

Not sure about this. AIMesh has a bad reputation for controlling devices that aren't all alike --- people report glitches like the web GUI only showing controls for radios that exist on the primary node, even when a remote node has others. It might work but you shouldn't be too surprised if it doesn't work, or doesn't work smoothly.
 
Would the more superior beamforming on the routers I've mentioned really not help my situation?

No. Most clients don't even support beamforming. One of the features used mostly for marketing proposes.

This is what you need for good coverage, unfortunately impossible to achieve with over the counter home products:

 
Which floor is your router currently on?

What is the price for RT-AX86U Pro and GT-AX6000?

RT-BE92u is the wrong choice for you.
RT-AX88U Pro or RT-AX86U Pro or GT-AX6000 fir single router.
Instead of XT8/9 pair it might be cheaper to choose TP-Link Deco pair X20/X50/X60?
www.tp-link.com/uk/home-networking/deco/?filterby=5730
www.tp-link.com/uk/support/faq/3900/

PS: @ColinTaylor Can you tell us more about Sky's requirements in the UK?
Router is on the ground floor at the front of the house.

Office is on the top floor in the middle of the house

AX88u Pro - £246 (£223 from a lesser known online IT retailer)
AX86u Pro - £220
GT-AX6000 - £192

As mentioned Sky requires DHCP Option 61 which only some routers seem to support. Asus tend to support it, some Netgear, limited support with TP-Link through other means. FYI I want to do away with the Sky router altogether not have the more powerful router use the Sky router as a modem.

Incidentally I've noticed I actually get 110mbit on my phone in my office on 5ghz but only 40mbit on my laptop :-O
Also using Wifi Analyser on my phone I can tell you I get the folllowing signal in my office:
-64dbBm on 2.4ghz
-74dBm on 5ghz
 
GT-AX6000 from the above. The same hardware device as RT-AX88U Pro. Test your luck and see how it goes.
 

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