Really disappointed with AiMesh, I switched to something else

[OzarkEdge]

What is AiMesh 2?

Presumably, the next wave of AiMesh development. And hopefully, the crossing of the t's and the dotting of the i's of AiMesh 1.

OE

 

[Smokindog]

Presumably, the next wave of AiMesh development. And hopefully, the crossing of the t's and the dotting of the i's of AiMesh 1.

OE

IMO, any mesh implementation that does not have a dedicated backhaul, beit wired and/or a third radio, will have quirks and issues which for me would be very unattractive and limiting over a bridge or other time tested solution. It's all marketeering.

 

[OzarkEdge]

IMO, any mesh implementation that does not have a dedicated backhaul, beit wired and/or a third radio, will have quirks and issues which for me would be very unattractive and limiting over a bridge or other time tested solution. It's all marketeering.

Time-tested technology expires. Mesh is destined to be wireless. Nobody wants to run cables. AiMesh on next generation tri-band AX routers will be more than any consumer needs. Meanwhile, my wireless dual-band AiMesh meets my needs 24x7 just fine.

Quit being such a curmudgeon! Show us your can-do Texas spirit... not that Ohio rust belt gloom and doom!

OE

 

[Smokindog]

Time-tested technology expires. Mesh is destined to be wireless. Nobody wants to run cables. AiMesh on next generation tri-band AX routers will be more than any consumer needs. Meanwhile, my wireless dual-band AiMesh meets my needs 24x7 just fine.

Quit being such a curmudgeon! Show us your can-do Texas spirit... not that Ohio rust belt gloom and doom!

OE

OK but you first commit to taking a reading comprehension class.

1) NEVER said it had to be wired, I said it must be dedicated to backhaul - "beit wired and/or a third radio"

2) Tri-band router is exactly what I suggested - what do you think the reference to 3rd radio is all about? - "beit wired and/or a third radio"

3) Time tested technology when in reference to bridge mode or repeater mode does NOT expire

4) And if you're happy with a wireless repeater wrapped in a GUI and called AiMesh with limited ability to configure then I'm happy for you!

5) I've got all wired backhaul available across my 6 routers/APs. There is no benefit and only penalty to using AiMesh over AP mode. The biggest penalty is frequency management.

 

[OzarkEdge]

OK but you first commit to taking a reading comprehension class.

NEVER said it had to be wired, I said it must be dedicated to backhaul - "beit wired and/or a third radio"
Tri-band router is exactly what I suggested - what do you think the reference to 3rd radio is all about? - "beit wired and/or a third radio"
Time tested technology when in reference to bridge mode or repeater mode does NOT expire
And if you're happy with a wireless repeater wrapped in a GUI and called AiMesh with limited ability to configure then I'm happy for you!

I've got all wired backhaul and there is no benefit and only penalty to using AiMesh over AP mode. The biggest penalty is frequency management.

Nobody wants wires. Nobody wants to manage frequencies. People only do that because they have to. My dual-band wireless AiMesh works fine with no wires and two fixed channels. I don't see any penalty here. Maybe you just gave up too soon during the early roll-out of AiMesh.

OE

 

[Smokindog]

Nobody wants wires. Nobody wants to manage frequencies. People only do that because they have to. My dual-band wireless AiMesh works fine with no wires and two fixed channels. I don't see any penalty here. Maybe you just gave up too soon during the early roll-out of AiMesh.

OE

No I did not give up too soon and again, I NEVER said wires were required. I also never said you had to manage frequencies, I merely pointed out that it was available in one scenario and not another. The mere fact that the same frequencies MUST be used on ALL radios for ALL nodes is an obvious pitfall, especially in a deployment where overlap is highly likely which is most in my opinion simply by the fact the nodes must be close enough together to reliably communicate at or near maximum bandwidth to make the back haul viable. Frequency reuse is a key principle in cell and mesh design and coverage. Read up on it some it can be very interesting.

Just because you're happy with something doesn't make it right or wrong.

I'll say again, I disagree very strongly with your opinion and your conclusions. Doesn't make either of us right or wrong. If you're happy with a GUI wrapped around a repeater/bridge then I'm happy for you.

It's obvious from the variety of posts and threads that AiMesh has issues. I happen to believe with reasonable cause it's both design and implementation and I'm not going to go off into a my dog is bigger pissing match as to why I believe that. It's just not that important to me.

I accept you have an opinion and I respect that, I just don't agree with it. I've pointed out the penalties in prior posts and I'm OK if you don't accept them, just stop misquoting me and telling me things I never said. I'm not here to convince you. Try to open your mind to the fact that others see the world differently.

Everyone learns when everyone can share opinions and data.

 

[Val D.]

If you're happy with a GUI wrapped around a repeater/bridge then I'm happy for you.

AiMesh - central management of repeaters, no roaming technologies
AiRadar - beamforming, whatever is provided by the chip manufacturer
AiProtection - TrendMicro engine, available with other manufacturers too
AiCustomer - whoever believes all of the above is something "exclusive"

 

[Smokindog]

AiMesh - central management of repeaters, no roaming technologies
AiRadar - beamforming, whatever is provided by the chip manufacturer
AiProtection - TrendMicro engine, available with other manufacturers too
AiCustomer - whoever believes all of the above is something "exclusive"

I'm unclear as to what point you're trying to make. Can you clarify? Those features aren't necessarily exclusive to AiMesh

 

[Val D.]

Those features aren't necessarily exclusive to AiMesh

I mean ASUS likes to give non-exclusive features fancy names and claim them as advantages to ASUS products. The advertisement of AiMesh says it has only advantages over "traditional mesh systems" and "all router features work across the entire WiFi system", both not true. I have collected some interesting statements in just 10min browsing of ASUS Global website, small collection here:
https://www.snbforums.com/threads/u...to-rt-ac86u-worth-it.60295/page-3#post-548077

 

[thiggins]

I mean ASUS likes to give non-exclusive features fancy names and claim them as advantages to ASUS products.

ASUS is by no means the only manufacturer to do this. If the Wi-Fi Alliance had not done such a good job of branding, manfs would be calling their Wi-Fi routers Magic No-Wire Stupendo Terrific Ultra or something else.

 

[Val D.]

ASUS is by no means the only manufacturer to do this.

True, I found interesting statements on other pages too. ASUS marketing team though is on another level recently.

 

[RMerlin]

Asus added 802.11k and 802.11v support a few months ago. There is also a new option for 802.11r, but I don't see it enabled yet.

 

[Val D.]

Asus added 802.11k and 802.11v support a few months ago. There is also a new option for 802.11r, but I don't see it enabled yet.

Let's test it then! What routers support k/v at the moment? All AiMesh capable?

 

[thiggins]

@Val D. The questions you may have are not of interest to me.

Then stop commenting on his posts. It's not adding anything to the discussion.

I've removed the antagonistic back and forth between you and Val D. If it continues, you'll both get a timeout.

 

[RMerlin]

Let's test it then! What routers support k/v at the moment? All AiMesh capable?

According to the build profiles:

RT-AC68U
GT-AC5300
RT-AC86U
GT-AC2900
RT-AC95U
RT-AX88U
RT-AX92U
GT-AX11000

Winfi can confirms this is indeed the case for both my RT-AX88U and RT-AC66U_B1 (the first and third device here):

 

[Val D.]

According to the build profiles:

Thank you, @RMerlin!

Now this is something getting closer to a mesh network. The biggest advantage of AiMesh is in potential use of an existing router, but the initial implementation was no different than a router + wireless repeater with added easier configuration. Keep us updated on the progress, because there is no information whatsoever on technologies supported on ASUS website. Marketing materials only, not enough for tech people. Once AiMesh is ready for prime time, it's worth re-testing the capabilities.

 

[Smokindog]

@RMerlin - that added functionality would presumably be included and as effective/useful in AP mode end points as well. Do you agree?

Obviously this assumes a client with said enabled functionality as well.

 

[RMerlin]

@RMerlin - that added functionality would presumably be included and as effective/useful in AP mode end points as well. Do you agree?

No idea how it's actually implemented.

 

[Smokindog]

No idea how it's actually implemented.

The answer IMO is there should be no reason why it shouldn't!!!!

 

[EmeraldDeer]

WinFi Lite 1.0.11.1 reports 802.11 Amendments d, e, h, i, k, v and w for RT-AX88U