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Recommendation for a better 5GHz antenna for a RT-N66/AC66/AC68

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More than anything I can't grok how Linksys thinks anyone will spend >$100 on 4 antennas that probably cost them $5. Heck, looking on many an ecommerce website will turn up plenty of fairly reputable antenna manufacturers who charge less than half that.

Let alone the little known ones...that still have dozens to hundreds of feed back and make pretty decent antennas (considering that I have half a dozen of them laying around and tested extensively, I can vouch for that).

I will say that the far distance 5GHz improvement is more than I've ever seen out of an Omni. Then again, I've been generally swapping 3-5dBi antennas with 5-7dBi. I have seen similar behavior with 2.4GHz, there are just very tiny gains to be had, unless stepping up the gain SIGNIFICANTLY. It just seems like all you can really get is somewhat better range...which then again is what a lot are looking for.

Increased range on 5GHz is harder to get, but better performance tends to abound.

All of my ~2-3dBi increased gain antenna swaps typically have only netted at most 5% increased 2.4GHz performance and generally only at longer ranges (exception, my outdoors AP where moving from 5 to 7dBi seems to have increased performance at medium-far out to extreme ranges by a fair amount, about 8-12% in all locations and I can keep 10Mbps out about 20% further than before (which is around an increase of 50 feet)).

5GHz just seems to love bigger antennas, especially on ac routers, and pretty much any distance. All of my ac routers see around a 10% gain on the low end up to about 20% in transfer performance just my a nice modest 2-3dBi increase in antenna gain.

I haven't seen many 200+% increases though (though at extreme range I do see pretty big increases, but the performance is generally so crappy there, I'd never be using 5GHz. So going from an inconsistent 0-700Kb/s (IE transfer just stop for whole seconds at a time) up to about 0-2MB/sec, with transfers only periodically stopping for a second before resuming). I guess if you were to jump several more dB in gain it might make those kinds of locations actually viable for 5GHz, but by comparison I can get about 8.5MB/sec down, constant and smooth on 2.4GHz at that location....

Do you have a recommendation for a better 5GHz antenna for a RT-N66/AC66/AC68 router over the stock antennas? I have plenty of high-gain 2.4GHz antennas that work great on these Asus routers. I just can't find an antenna that works better than the stock antenna in the 5.2GHz/5.8GHz band that is a router mountable antenna.

I solve the multi-floor problem with high gain antennas by having one in a vertical orientation and one in a horizontal orientation. That gives my clients very good multi-floor coverage.
 
If you are going to arrange the antennas like that, no. 5GHz gain is always higher than 2.4GHz and anything higher gain than the 5dBi stock is probably going to produce poor results attempting to orient them like that to cover multiple floors.
 
If you are going to arrange the antennas like that, no. 5GHz gain is always higher than 2.4GHz and anything higher gain than the 5dBi stock is probably going to produce poor results attempting to orient them like that to cover multiple floors.
azazel1024

Do you have any reading materials or techniques that you will recommend? Specially, on how to cover multiple floors while using WiFi? My understanding, you still to run cat5 from each floor, to each room in general, then you got your switches to configure for each floor. I have seen a lot of multi-mode fiber ran vertical to each floor to support those switches.

Thank You
Red
 
I solve the multi-floor problem with high gain antennas by having one in a vertical orientation and one in a horizontal orientation. That gives my clients very good multi-floor coverage.

With externals, I usually arrange them like this... \ | | /

Works really well ;)
 
High-gain... well, it's a relative term! And it's marketing hype.

Typical WiFi path loss is at least 70dB.
So going from a stock 2dBi gain antenna to a "high gain" 6dBi (omni) antenna is just 4dB of improvement.
That's 4dB as compared to a 70dB path loss... almost insignificant.

A 12dBi patch antenna is the best, if the 60 degree horizontal beamwidth is viable for your setting.

And of course, your goal throughput (speed) dictates the required signal strength at the receiver - especially for the client-to-router direction (rarely displayed).
 
High-gain... well, it's a relative term! And it's marketing hype.

Typical WiFi path loss is at least 70dB.
So going from a stock 2dBi gain antenna to a "high gain" 6dBi (omni) antenna is just 4dB of improvement.
That's 4dB as compared to a 70dB path loss... almost insignificant.

A 12dBi patch antenna is the best, if the 60 degree horizontal beamwidth is viable for your setting.

And of course, your goal throughput (speed) dictates the required signal strength at the receiver - especially for the client-to-router direction (rarely displayed).

Cribbed from an old article I have saved over on instapaper...

Antenna Gain: Do not be confused by this term, the antenna does not actually amplify anything. Antenna gain is a figure that reflects how efficiently your receiving antenna would convert Wi-Fi radio waves into electrical power. Antennas with a gain of 2 dBi, 5 dBi, 7dBi, 9 dBi, 13 dBi etc are available. A common mistake is to think that the one with a high dBi would be the best (e.g. 13 dBi). To understand why this is a misconception, consider the following rough sketch [Figure 1]:

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Figure 1

As evident from this figure, a higher (9) dBi antenna is suitable for long horizontal ranges with the receiver and transmitter at roughly the same elevation. However, if the transmitter is placed vertically above the receiver—as in floors of a building—then a 5 dBi antenna would be your best bet. If the transmitter is at a different elevation and at a long distance from the receiver, a 7 dBi antenna would offer you the right combination of elevation and range. A 2 dBi antenna aims to cover signals equally in all directions, and is not well-suited for wireless penetration testing or wardriving.​
 
azazel1024

Do you have any reading materials or techniques that you will recommend? Specially, on how to cover multiple floors while using WiFi? My understanding, you still to run cat5 from each floor, to each room in general, then you got your switches to configure for each floor. I have seen a lot of multi-mode fiber ran vertical to each floor to support those switches.

Thank You
Red

Not sure if you are confusing terms here...but here is my general approach.

Wire everything. Whether that is using Cat5, 5e, 6, 6a or higher. Run wires to the location of each wireless access point or WiFi router in access point mode. You don't need fiber, but if you run it, you'll need media converters and GBIC/SFP modules for each to convert from fiber to Ethernet and back. All of this will generally run back to one switch, or it could run back to your router if it has enough ports. Or it could be multiple switches. Just depends on what you need.

For how many you need, where and what antenna orientation, the ONLY option is to test your setup. I mean, I can eyeball a setup and give very vague guidelines, but that is all it would be. With typical 2x4 construction and open floor plan house probably needs one access point on each floor per ~2,000sq-ft of that floor if you can roughly centrally locate it. For a closed floor plan house, I'd call it per ~1,500sq-ft.

This can vary depending on house construction, if you need excellent 5GHz vs 2.4GHz, performance expectations, etc.

Some people are happy running a single AP in their 3,000sq-ft house with the AP in the basement and maybe 4Mbps performance in an upstairs far bedroom. My needs and desires are much higher than that. My guidelines will generally give you very good to excellent performance over that entire floor.
 
Some people are happy running a single AP in their 3,000sq-ft house with the AP in the basement and maybe 4Mbps performance in an upstairs far bedroom. My needs and desires are much higher than that. My guidelines will generally give you very good to excellent performance over that entire floor.

My final thoughts on Hi-Gain antennas and the like...

Hi-Gain antenna's generally don't work..

TL;DR - Science and Physics win!

Here's the reason - everyone is primarily client focused - in other words, if one increases power/gain on the AP, the clients will be better off... sometimes this might work, but testing here, and other sites, generally proves that this ain't true...

We need to be more than just client focused when looking at Tx power and Antenna Gain - an AP is one of many in the WLAN, and, folks know that when running tools like InSSIDer and similar ilk, that a crowed network is a noisy network - and this affects the AP as well as the associated clients.

When a client is transmitting, it's against the background of other noise in the channel - both members of the WLAN, as well as adjacent networks on the same channel (or slightly overlapping channels) - the AP is fighting the same problem, receiving the Tx bursts from the clients...

When we look at the Link - all things are relative - in CDMA 2G speak, we used to call it Ec/Io - or Correlated Signal over Noise - and this is a relative measurement, that's why it is related in Decibels, and not as a hard, fixed value like milliwatts, pascals, etc...

Since this is a relative value - it becomes easy to explain why higher gain antenna's generally don't work very well - they increase the levels of the associated clients, but they also increase the noise of the adjacent WLAN's along with jammers in close channels - so it all becomes relative - and it's generally a net-zero improvement at best.

Where high-gain antenna's can help - we can leverage into the tighter beam patterns afforded by High-Gain antennas and put interfering AP's and Clients into the null of the pattern - this is useful in tall-buildings, where jammers tend to be above and below, but this for many is an edge case... in a typical suburban house in the US, there is no gain, and a possible loss in the event of a house being more than a single floor.

Now going back to 3rd party antennas - those you can find on eBay or Alibaba - my recommendation is stay away from them - here's the reasons why...

In a radio - we do the basic RF modulation - and then we send it over to a power amplifier - this path is controlled by the designer and does not change - from the PA to the antenna - we try very hard to get the right impedance match to the antenna, because it is what converts the conducted to radiated energy - so the entire path is taken into consideration - including ensuring that the radiator has the correct match, and that even with the circuit board traces to the connector to the Reverse SMA on the outside of the router. A mismatch on the Tx side usually results in noise reflected back into the receiver (SWR impact), or lost energy, which is converted to heat...

On the receive side - from the antenna, we go into a low-noise amp - and a mismatch there will generally either reduce the signal, which is never good, or cause saturation and distortion - which is great if your a rock-star guitar player, but not if you're an RF engineer - as will cause issues downstream from the LNA into the baseband, which will not be able to demodulate those saturated/distorted signals...

So again, not a win for big antennas, eh?

End of day - WiFi has a designed link-balance that is pretty much vendor independent - and from there, rate decisions are made - there's a fair amount of "Kentucky windage" to ensure that Tx/Rx levels are fair/balanced, so accept that coverage is what coverage is from vendor to vendor - some do it better than others

Which makes the most important factor of WiFi - planning - put the AP where the people are, and accept that it's not going to get much better..

That being said - there are ways to improve things - AC1900 class routers generally use 3 radio chains, some use 4 - those extra RF chains help quite a bit, and that gain cuts both ways - additionally, the chipsets, using MIMO, and additional features like STBC and LDPC's, increase coding gain, and reduce internal noise - and a 3*3:3 AP is always operating in that mode - even with a single stream client... MIMO rocks, trust me... it's all about coding gain and signal recovery against the background noise.

So - stop tweaking Tx power, it doesn't help - high power AP's generally don't help because they make the link imbalanced, and big antennas amplify everything...

This is probably worth of a blog post on the external site...

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