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Router replacement frequency? And a recommendation request

ScruffyLG

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I just discovered that my Netgear R7800 router is now considered End-of-Service--I think I purchased it around 2016--so it will no longer be receiving firmware updates. I presume this means that I should replace it, at the very least for security reasons. While the router continues to serve my family's needs quite well, and has performed very reliably, I have been wanting to get a mesh router anyway to improve connectivity in more remote areas of the house.

I have two questions, one general, and one specific.

1) What do most people do regarding router end-of-life, especially those of us who don't require the latest and greatest? Do knowledgeable people replace their entire Wi-Fi household infrastructure every 3-to-5 years? Do the major manufacturers differ as to how long they support their routers with firmware updates? Do many people simply rely on open source firmware to extend their router's lives?

2) Regarding my specific needs, presuming I replace the R7800, I'm looking for a mesh router for a ~2100 sq. ft. house. (Unfortunately, the internet enters the house at one upper corner, and some of the required use is at the opposite lower corner of the house...so I think I may need two satellites to get good, full coverage.) The needs are very typical/pedestrian--occasional streaming, remote work, etc. We probably have at most 12 devices and never more than 1 or 2 simultaneous video streams ever running. I don't need cutting edge technology, but I would like something that will comfortably last more than three years (with the requisite support). My biggest concerns are security, parental controls, and reliability. I'd prefer not to have to pay a "toll" (subscription) to get the best use out of it, but would be willing to do so, if, say, the parental controls are truly superior to alternatives.

Does anyone have a recommendation, either manufacturer or specific model? I have followed the industry a little, but I haven't been in the market for a new router in eight years. Are there new features I should be sure to focus on?

Any suggestions, or referrals to good web resources, are much appreciated.

Thanks.
 
If you want to hold off on purchasing another router the R7800 is still supported by Voxel's firmware. You can check out this thread.

 
Wow...fascinating. Thanks for the tip, Analog-1! Apparently, I'm not the only one who appreciates the R7800. It looks like Voxel has added a lot of features that I don't understand/need. But it also looks like he's committed to fixing known vulnerabilities, which I am very interested in and appreciate.

Thanks again.
 
Thanks for the info, Tech9.
Multiple alternate firmware options. I guess I'll need to figure out which one to use (and why), how to install, etc. I'll need to educate myself a bit more.
 
The R7800 was a nice device...

There is OpenWRT support, but the QCA-NSS support is limited, as well as ath10k support for WIFI - because of QCA closed source code - on this device, I would consider it hobby level...

Look at Synology RT6600ax as a decent replacement...
 
Thanks for the recommendation, SFX2000. With this soution I could add a WRX560 if I needed extra range.

I have my RT6600ax paired up with an MR2200ac as both are three radio solutions (single 2.4GHz, dual 5GHz).

The WRX560 is a 2-radio solution, and I have one, but meshing it up with the RT6600ax was problematic, and it would drop connectivity - the 2200ac has been rock-solid...
 
If you want to hold off on purchasing another router the R7800 is still supported by Voxel's firmware. You can check out this thread.

+1
I think Voxel's works even better than OFW. Plus Voxel's is free and 1:1 exchangeable with Netgear's in terms of upgrading, so it requires no in-depth knowledge. I would go that way first and see if it serves your needs.
 
I think Voxel's works even better than OFW. Plus Voxel's is free and 1:1 exchangeable with Netgear's in terms of upgrading, so it requires no in-depth knowledge. I would go that way first and see if it serves your needs.
Kees17760--Thanks for your opinion...just so I understand, in what way does Voxel's work better than open source alternatives? Is it because it's based on Netgear's own firmware, so it can take advantage of all of the R7800's features better?
 
If you want something Plug-and-Play, good build quality, with high Wife Acceptance Factor, with remote access, secure enough and with parental controls - Nest Wifi Pro. In your 2100 sq. ft. two-story house properly placed 2-pack will hold stable 6GHz wireless uplink.



Thanks for the suggestion. I tend to try my best to stay out of Google's ecosystem, just because I don't trust them not to harvest whatever data they can...just because they can. I take it you don't see this as a concern for their networking products...or at least no more so than those of any other vendor?
 
just because they can

They'll still collect whatever they need from your other devices. Add Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, etc. You pay for the "free services" they provide with your data. If you want to avoid all this you have to go offline. Remove your router and cancel all mobile data plans. Your choice.
 
Thanks for the suggestion. I tend to try my best to stay out of Google's ecosystem, just because I don't trust them not to harvest whatever data they can...just because they can.
Google's harvest is about to increase:



Google is backtracking on its decision to keep advertisers from collecting user data outside the cookie realm, in what is technically described as “fingerprinting” – and the UK’s Information Commissioner’s Office is none too happy about the shift.

“Yesterday, Google announced to organisations that use its advertising products, that from 16 February 2025, it will no longer prohibit them from employing fingerprinting techniques,” reads the strong opening paragraph of a December 19 blog post by Stephen Almond, the ICO's executive director of regulatory risk.


Why it matters: Access to users’ IP addresses or device information helps advertisers track behavior across devices.

  • “Cross-device measurement is critical, especially on connected TV (CTV), where attributing impressions to sales is difficult because conversions usually occur on a desktop or mobile device,” said our analyst Evelyn Mitchell-Wolf.
Of note is that TV maker Vizio makes more money from ads and selling information on TV owners than they do from making TVS:



Vizio’s profit on ads, subscriptions, and data is double the money it makes selling TVs​


Walmart bought Vizio to get all the data.


Also:

 
They'll still collect whatever they need from your other devices.
And they will know exactly what device, where you were, and how you got there.


Reversing the stance on fingerprinting could open the door to further data collection, including to crafting dynamic, generative AI-powered ads tailored with huge precision. Indeed, such applications would require new data.

Visiting a friend in another city, I was waiting while they did errands. Stopped to look at a display of 1970s HiFi gear, old Marantz/Pioneer/Harmon Kardon receivers, amps, old BIC turntables. Phone was in pocket, did not do any searches for classic electronics. Within an hour started getting all sorts of targeted ads for classis sound system gear. Same things I was just looking at (no intention to buy). These targeted ads continued for a month or two--just from stopping and looking at a display.

Or from mentioning what I was looking at to my friend--I do not believe that phones don't listen (and no I do not have paranoid schizophrenia.) Too many "coincidental" ads show up after discussing something.

OK, got to get my tinfoil hat back on.
 
I tend to try my best to stay out of Google's ecosystem
You are doing the right thing. Don’t let Google harvest your data so easily. Use a good router without spyware (avoid mainland Chinese brands as well), and don't forget about ad blockers and privacy-focused DNS services like NextDNS.

BTW, privacy is one of the reasons I prefer the Apple ecosystem. Of course, Apple is not perfect, but it’s much better than Google or Microsoft. At least you can opt out of the so-called “telemetry”...
 
I use all Google, Apple and Microsoft devices and services for personal and business purposes and whatever they collect doesn't affect my life or business in any negative way. If the services they provide suddenly stop - then I'll have issues. Sure, everyone is free to make own choices.
 
My solution to extending the life of my router, is to sit behind the one my ISP provides. I run double nat so my infrastructure doesn't change at all if my ISP upgrades, or I change ISPs. I only upgrade my router when it is appropriate for security or hardware necessity.
 

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