Smart Connect Rule

[bubobih]

Hello, i dont know if there is a thread like this but i need some help. Im trying to set Smart Connect Rules to this type:


As i know 5 ghz have shorter range than 2.4 so i want to setup 5 ghz to some point (dbm range) and then to get 2.4 on all devices that support both 2.4 and 5 ghz.... i succes to manage only 5ghz idk why he wont to switch to 2.4 but also i dont understand almost anything from these settings to i setup test,setup test, and that about 100 times so i piss out and decide to ask help here.... here is my current settings

 

[bubobih]

Any help?

 

[daviworld]

Hello, i dont know if there is a thread like this but i need some help. Im trying to set Smart Connect Rules to this type:


As i know 5 ghz have shorter range than 2.4 so i want to setup 5 ghz to some point (dbm range) and then to get 2.4 on all devices that support both 2.4 and 5 ghz.... i succes to manage only 5ghz idk why he wont to switch to 2.4 but also i dont understand almost anything from these settings to i setup test,setup test, and that about 100 times so i piss out and decide to ask help here.... here is my current settings

Hi bubobih,

I mess around with the smart connect a bit, I saw Merlin had a new beta out. So, I'll look at my set up, even though I'm on a tri-band and try to convert it into a usable rule for you.

Do you have a way of checking dBm around your house currently?

Best,
Davi

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[daviworld]

Hi bubobih,

I mess around with the smart connect a bit, I saw Merlin had a new beta out. So, I'll look at my set up, even though I'm on a tri-band and try to convert it into a usable rule for you.

Do you have a way of checking dBm around your house currently?

Best,
Davi

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This is my current setting's for my Smart Connect using load balancing(attached .pdf), I also utilize 24/7 OpenVPN, and Adaptive QoS. With this set-up I can get about 650mbps-855mbps using 2 client's on a 1G internet plan. Using 5 client's, each client is receiving about 200-400mbps between them.

Now I live in a fairly compact apartment so my dBm is usually somewhere in the range of -13 to -72 with the average of it being between -43 ~ -63 dBm

You can download an app like "Net Analyzer" or a similar app to figure out your wireless dBm around your home.

Next step to get your client's to connect to the SSID of your chocie would require playing around with your STA Selection Policy & Interface Select and Qualify Procedure by tuning them to your specific need's.

You can also configure your client to connect to specific band, which may help somewhat when setting up your rule's. For example, such as setting one band as AC only(5GHz), and telling your client's to only connect to 5GHz(streaming/gaming), while say for instance you tell your other client's to only connect to 2.4GHz(PC, Phone, Printer, etc).

Best,
David

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[bubobih]

Hello, thank u for your help im setup as u setup... i didnt test it yet how far is 5 than did he switch to 2.4.... but i will test it today and report.... but idk STA thing at all, i mean i dont understand what he do, but i see that there is dbm signal so i hope that he set band by that dbm

 

[bubobih]

I must say that this rule give me only 5ghz in all places... no 2.4

 

[daviworld]

I must say that this rule give me only 5ghz in all places... no 2.4

Are you trying to move client's from the 5Ghz band to the 2.4Ghz band? My rule's are mostly maximized to load balance the 5Ghz band's and move client's from the 2.4Ghz band to the two 5Ghz band. If you are trying to do the former, I'll try tinkering with my settings a bit, without the 2nd 5Ghz radio to better emulate what you are trying to accomplish in your network

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[bubobih]

I want to have 5ghz at home and outside where signal is low to switch to 2.4 beacuse 2.4 have more range than 5 as i know. So when 5ghz go in bad signal to switch to 2.4 to boost range of my router coverage

 

[daviworld]

I want to have 5ghz at home and outside where signal is low to switch to 2.4 beacuse 2.4 have more range than 5 as i know. So when 5ghz go in bad signal to switch to 2.4 to boost range of my router coverage

Ahhh, I see. I think I get the gist of it. When you're at home vs outside do you know what your wireless -dBm is? This will help in setting up your smart connect to transfer traffic to a different band. You would set your bandwidth utilization to 0 so it doesn't have to meet a threshold before changing band's if you're not concerned about load balancing.

Thing's to do on your side, since I don't know how large your place of residence is. The room you spend most of your time in browsing the net, find out your wireless -dBm in that room, then go outside to where you trying to connect and record that -dBm. These numbers are the most important for transferring band's outside of bandwidth utilization.

I am in a fairly compact apartment complex, and with my 5Ghz band's I can barely just cover my entire house to give you some context

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[bubobih]

Can u send a example then i can set dbm by mine needs. So your config for my reqest then i will figure out what dbm need to move to get fine tuning

 

[daviworld]

Can u send a example then i can set dbm by mine needs. So your config for my reqest then i will figure out what dbm need to move to get fine tuning

Sure, I'm not home now, but I'll take a screenshot of my set-up after tweaking it a bit to work for your solution. So, expect it sometime this evening

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[bubobih]

Thank u very much

 

[daviworld]

Thank u very much

Here you go, sorry for the late response.

With this set-up I tried to make it easy for you to adjust.

- No load balancing

-adjust your dBm to your need's in the RSSI setting, incrementally put a higher number for your 2.4Ghz band to reach your outside.

-set your PHY rate less to a max speed cap for that band
-set your PHY greater than to a speed your want as your min.

-Your target band will be a band of your choice
-Bandwidth utilization will be how filled up the band will get before handing off client's
-VHT such as only AC client's / or ALL client capable band's

 

[bubobih]

ok i will test. tnx in advance....

 

[bubobih]

im notice that i dont have 5g and im 30 cm from router i get 5g only when i run speedtest or some heavy load internet things... is that normal... i see here u make some restriction by speed min and max, but i need only by singral streinght not by speed.... if i set by speed i get laggy things like this one where im 30cm from router and im on 2.4 insted 5

http://prntscr.com/imbflm

both are 5ghz mobile phones


edit: these are mine settings

http://prntscr.com/imbgf5

 

[daviworld]

im notice that i dont have 5g and im 30 cm from router [emoji14] i get 5g only when i run speedtest or some heavy load internet things... is that normal... i see here u make some restriction by speed min and max, but i need only by singral streinght not by speed.... if i set by speed i get laggy things like this one where im 30cm from router and im on 2.4 insted 5

http://prntscr.com/imbflm

both are 5ghz mobile phones


edit: these are mine settings

http://prntscr.com/imbgf5

-Turn the PHY rate and Bandwidth Utilization to 0 on all of them

-Set the the 2.4 band RSSI to greater than -82

-Set the 5Ghz RSSI to less than -80

Let me know if that improves the 5Ghz band takeover for you, and yeah I set it up like that as I didn't know your network requirements towards it.



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[vtol]

Fist off - Asus terminology of the wifi signal strength seems to be mixing RSSI with dBm.

To my humble understanding "dBm and RSSI are different units of measurement that both represent the same thing: signal strength. The difference is that RSSI is a relative index, while dBm is an absolute number representing power levels in mW (milliwatts).

RSSI is a term used to measure the relative quality of a received signal to a client device, but has no absolute value. The IEEE 802.11 standard specifies that RSSI can be on a scale of 0 to up to 255 and that each chipset manufacturer can define their own “RSSI_Max” value. It’s all up to the manufacturer (which is why RSSI is a relative index), but you can infer that the higher the RSSI value is, the better the signal is.

Since RSSI varies greatly between chipset manufacturers a more standardized, absolute measure of signal strength is: received signal power - measured in decibels, or dBm on a logarithmic scale. Basically, the closer to 0 dBm, the better the signal is."

That aside and to help leverage signal strength measurement most effectively for channel planning decisions it is recommended to utilize available tools, e.g. a smart phone app like Network Analyzer for Android.
If one cares the difference in signal strength in between 20/40/80 MHz channel width in the 5 GHz spectrum should be noted, i.e. 80 MHz has a lesser signal strength than the 20 MHz channel width.

It needs to be decided what is the baseline trigger should be:
- Bandwidth Utilization a/o
- signal strength (RSSI/dBm) a/o
- PHY(1) Rate (Less/Greater) a/o
- VHT(2) (802.11ac and non-ac STA(3))

(1) Physical Layer
(2) Very High Throughput (802.11ac and 802.11ad significantly increase the maximum data rates beyond that offered by 802.11n)
(3) Station (is a device that has the capability to use the 802.11 protocol)

After checking the signal strength in the various spots I decided for a simple baseline trigger:

Steering Trigger Condition -> Band 2.4 GHz -> Signal Strength Less -65 dBm

(-65 dBm on the 2.4 GHz band is arbitrary to this particular location in comparison to the available signal strength of the 5 GHz band with the 20/80 MHz channel widths)

Nothing else on there and nothing on the 5 GHz band. This would kick clients off the 2.4 GHz band and on to the "Target Band" (5 GHz) specified in "Interface Select and Qualify Procedures" for any signal strength (on the 2.4 GHz band) between 0 dBM and -65 dBm. For any signal strength between -66 dBm and -100 dBm on the 2.4 GHz band the client would remain on the 2.4 GHz band therefore.

Next refining the 5 GHZ band:

- STA Selection Policy -> Band 5 GHz1 -> PHY Rate Less < 200 Mbps
- STA Selection Policy -> Band 5 GHz2 -> PHY Rate Less < 100 Mbps

If the PHY drops below the target policy it will be kicked off the respective 5 GHz band and on to the "Target Band" specified in "Interface Select and Qualify Procedures"

Additional refining the 5 GHz band:

- Interface Select and Qualify Procedures -> Band 5 GHz1 -> Bandwidth Utilization 60%
- Interface Select and Qualify Procedures -> Band 5 GHz2 -> Bandwidth Utilization 70%

If the bandwidth saturation exceeds the target policy it will be kicked off the respective 5 GHz band and on to the "Target Band" specified in "Interface Select and Qualify Procedures"

That is how it looks in the GUI

 

[bubobih]

Fist off - Asus terminology of the wifi signal strength seems to be mixing RSSI with dBm.

To my humble understanding "dBm and RSSI are different units of measurement that both represent the same thing: signal strength. The difference is that RSSI is a relative index, while dBm is an absolute number representing power levels in mW (milliwatts).

RSSI is a term used to measure the relative quality of a received signal to a client device, but has no absolute value. The IEEE 802.11 standard specifies that RSSI can be on a scale of 0 to up to 255 and that each chipset manufacturer can define their own “RSSI_Max” value. It’s all up to the manufacturer (which is why RSSI is a relative index), but you can infer that the higher the RSSI value is, the better the signal is.

Since RSSI varies greatly between chipset manufacturers a more standardized, absolute measure of signal strength is: received signal power - measured in decibels, or dBm on a logarithmic scale. Basically, the closer to 0 dBm, the better the signal is."

That aside and to help leverage signal strength measurement most effectively for channel planning decisions it is recommended to utilize available tools, e.g. a smart phone app like Network Analyzer for Android.
If one cares the difference in signal strength in between 20/80 MHz channel width in the 5 GHz spectrum should be noted, i.e. 80 MHz has a lesser signal strength than the 20 MHz channel width.

It needs to be decided what is the baseline trigger should be:
- Bandwidth Utilization a/o
- signal strength (RSSI/dBm) a/o
- PHY(1) Rate (Less/Greater) a/o
- VHT(2) (802.11ac and non-ac STA(3))

(1) Physical Layer
(2) Very High Throughput (802.11ac and 802.11ad significantly increase the maximum data rates beyond that offered by 802.11n)
(3) Station (is a device that has the capability to use the 802.11 protocol)

After checking the signal strength in the various spots I decided for a simple baseline trigger:

Steering Trigger Condition -> Band 2.4 GHz -> Signal Strength Less -65 dBm

(-65 dBm on the 2.4 GHz band is arbitrary to this particular location in comparison to the available signal strength of the 5 GHz band with the 20/80 MHz channel widths)

Nothing else on there and nothing on the 5 GHz band. This would kick clients off the 2.4 GHz band and on to the "Target Band" (5 GHz) specified in "Interface Select and Qualify Procedures" for any signal strength (on the 2.4 GHz band) between 0 dBM and -65 dBm. For any signal strength between -66 dBm and -100 dBm on the 2.4 GHz band the client would remain on the 2.4 GHz band therefore.

Next refining the 5 GHZ band:

- STA Selection Policy -> Band 5 GHz1 -> PHY Rate Less < 200 Mbps
- STA Selection Policy -> Band 5 GHz2 -> PHY Rate Less < 100 Mbps

If the PHY drops below the target policy it will be kicked off the respective 5 GHz band and on to the "Target Band" specified in "Interface Select and Qualify Procedures"

Additional refining the 5 GHz band:

- Interface Select and Qualify Procedures -> Band 5 GHz1 -> Bandwidth Utilization 60%
- Interface Select and Qualify Procedures -> Band 5 GHz2 -> Bandwidth Utilization 70%

If the bandwidth saturation exceeds the target policy it will be kicked off the respective 5 GHz band and on to the "Target Band" specified in "Interface Select and Qualify Procedures"

That is how it looks in the GUI

i try that but no luck. idk what is a problem but all my cell phones are on 2.4 all the time and im like 2m from router


also with configuration of daviworld i get 2.4 only


http://prntscr.com/immxl0


http://prntscr.com/immxof


i didnt think this is so complicated i just want simple rule that measure signal streigth and when my 5ghz drop to -something that ruter switch me to 2.4 to extend coverage of my internet around of my house

 

[vtol]

To my understanding clients are only kicked on to 5 GHz with a bad signal strength in the 2 GHz band with this setting

With Steering Trigger Condition -> Band 2.4 GHz -> Signal Strength Greater -82 dBm

Any value between -83 and -100 dBm (
Greater -82 dBm) is a worse signal strength than anything from 0 to -82 dBm.

That does not make sense since the 5 GHz has lesser signal strength than the 2 GHz band.

N.B. client's wlan turned should be turned off for a short while after changing the router settings, perhaps also a reboot of the router is recommended after changing the settings

 

[bubobih]

ok now i very confused... in fact i dont understand a s**t here i only c/p your settings... beacuse idk what is steering idk what is sta so idk what im doing... so your help is very welcome but i just cant manage it.... i try to play around many settings (true i didnt reboot router) and only thing i can is to try to play again all same but with reboots... or if u have better settings best way is to make SS of your settings so i can c/p