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ASUS XT8 issues

Is the mesh backhaul over wireless or over wired ethernet ?

If wireless backhaul over a radio shared with clients, then you will loose significant bandwidth, usually about half in each direction.

It looks like you have a couple nodes too close to each other or at too high TX power at that measurement location. The last full entry for 5G-1 at -73 dB on channel 44 versus the first two on the list (each a different radio) looks about right. The first two 5G-1 may be causing problems for each other and client radios unless ASUS has some magic sauce going on. i don't know the ins and outs of ASUS's AiMesh so others will have to chime in as to what you can change. If AiMesh is automagically managing power levels on each of the radios, then much of the following doesn't matter.

If these were simple APs with ethernet backhaul, i would be 1) reducing TX power or 2) relocating one of the first two APs or 3) doing both. It is possible you may only need 2 , Main and node, but that will depend on the physical layout of the building. You can turn off all of the nodes and leave the main router wifi on and get readings on the main backhaul radio to determine a good location for the node. Anything in the -50 to -60 dB should be good enough.

What you are trying to do is locate the nodes relative to the main router so that they can communicate as fast as possible and have them far enough away or with enough obstacles between them so that they don't cause interference with each other. Ideally, you would want the measured power to overlap at -65 dB or less e.g. -70 dB between the two nodes . That will help force the client radio to look for a new AP and shift over to the stronger AP radio. Part of the issue can be that the client radio will still see the 2.4GHz band at too high of a power level (smaller -dB) and not want to switch.

Regarding the drop in speed test bandwidth, that is expected as you get further away and as obstacles like walls, doors, cabinets, etc are in the line of sight path. 2.4 GHz radios can penetrate a couple sheetrock walls and usually get acceptable signal power (> 65 dB ) but are lower bandwidth . 5GHz can penetrate 1 wall usually and offers higher bandwidth. Radio waves both penetrate and reflect off of obstacles. That can make it difficult for a client radio and AP radio to communicate at high bandwidth.

Even though the ASUS nodes did not change from the old house, the physical environment they are working in is different. So different results. Same for the client radios.
 
Is the mesh backhaul over wireless or over wired ethernet ?

If wireless backhaul over a radio shared with clients, then you will loose significant bandwidth, usually about half in each direction.

It looks like you have a couple nodes too close to each other or at too high TX power at that measurement location. The last full entry for 5G-1 at -73 dB on channel 44 versus the first two on the list (each a different radio) looks about right. The first two 5G-1 may be causing problems for each other and client radios unless ASUS has some magic sauce going on. i don't know the ins and outs of ASUS's AiMesh so others will have to chime in as to what you can change. If AiMesh is automagically managing power levels on each of the radios, then much of the following doesn't matter.

If these were simple APs with ethernet backhaul, i would be 1) reducing TX power or 2) relocating one of the first two APs or 3) doing both. It is possible you may only need 2 , Main and node, but that will depend on the physical layout of the building. You can turn off all of the nodes and leave the main router wifi on and get readings on the main backhaul radio to determine a good location for the node. Anything in the -50 to -60 dB should be good enough.

What you are trying to do is locate the nodes relative to the main router so that they can communicate as fast as possible and have them far enough away or with enough obstacles between them so that they don't cause interference with each other. Ideally, you would want the measured power to overlap at -65 dB or less e.g. -70 dB between the two nodes . That will help force the client radio to look for a new AP and shift over to the stronger AP radio. Part of the issue can be that the client radio will still see the 2.4GHz band at too high of a power level (smaller -dB) and not want to switch.

Regarding the drop in speed test bandwidth, that is expected as you get further away and as obstacles like walls, doors, cabinets, etc are in the line of sight path. 2.4 GHz radios can penetrate a couple sheetrock walls and usually get acceptable signal power (> 65 dB ) but are lower bandwidth . 5GHz can penetrate 1 wall usually and offers higher bandwidth. Radio waves both penetrate and reflect off of obstacles. That can make it difficult for a client radio and AP radio to communicate at high bandwidth.

Even though the ASUS nodes did not change from the old house, the physical environment they are working in is different. So different results. Same for the client radios.
It’s wireless backhaul…always has been, which is what made a mesh system desirable for me….i lived in an older house that wasn’t wired for Ethernet and my new house which was built in 2000 isn’t either unfortunately and 4000sf on 3 levels
 
The same set performing differently when moved is environment change related guaranteed. If you can't bring it back to previous performance levels perhaps different solution is needed for the new place.
 
The same set performing differently when moved is environment change related guaranteed. If you can't bring it back to previous performance levels perhaps different solution is needed for the new place.
I’m not disagreeing with you, but hear me out. I went from a subdivision with neighbors within 70-80’ on each side and directly across the street to a place with no visible neighbors. Day 1 when WiFi was installed there was only 1 unit and 320 was as fast as it tested….that’s with no one here but me, nothing hooked up to WiFi but my iPhone and very little if anything powered on in the house. Tests have been consistently the same since then but now all nodes in place and probably around 30 clients.

I called the ISP yesterday afternoon and had them upgrade my service to 1gb. That should be active this afternoon. That should answer a few questions.

Perhaps a newer router would help and keep the xt8’s as APs ?
 
Perhaps a newer router would help and keep the xt8’s as APs ?

I don't have an answer to this question, but let's try some Wi-Fi science with some guessing due to limited data:

The environment change negatively impacting performance may be non Wi-Fi noise related or a result of higher number of signal reflective and refractive objects around. What you experience may be higher % or retries, but I don't know how to check this on Asus routers. You can see the noise floor level in Wireless Log though for some clues. Retries in 15-25% range are common and expected. I see this parameter on my UniFi system and it goes up if I increase the power of the APs. For this reason and to balance better the Tx/Rx PHY rates to wireless clients I run multiple APs on low power.

Unfortunately, AiMesh doesn't have power control per AP/radio and troubleshooting this type of issue if found and confirmed is difficult. In your case with wireless uplink it will have greater impact on performance due to data travelling wirelessly twice between the APs and clients. Consumer mesh systems are best effort design. No much tuning options other than moving the units around and finding what position works better. Tx retries example from one of my APs:

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Indirect method of finding Tx retry issues is measuring latency fluctuation to connected clients to different APs. If it jumps up and down and with double digit numbers - something is going on with the uplink or the radio serving the client. I can see this parameter as well on both gateway and client side, but don't know what tool can measure it for AiMesh. See example below of environment change in 30s time period only and resulting latency. This is a PC client connected with Ethernet (<1ms) to wirelessly uplinked UniFi Express unit (~6ms) and out to Internet via DOCSIS modem (~13ms):

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I’m not disagreeing with you, but hear me out.

I hear you loud and clear, but can't help much. If the issue is really bothering you perhaps some professional help on site is the best way to go. Someone who knows local specifics and has proper measuring tools may eventually suggest type of equipment needed. It will cost money, but may solve the problem for good. Replacing one consumer mesh system with another is not guaranteed to improve the situation. You can spend lots of time and money in trial and error.
 
One thing that may help your bandwidth is to change the channel width on each radio on all devices. Set the 2.4 GHz radio in each to 20 MHz (if only for IOTs) or 40/20 MHz and the 5GHz radios to 80 MHz. Center channel number probably doesn't matter for your location if you can't see any RSSI values above -80 dB.

If you can't move the additional nodes, here is something to try. i am assuming the main router is in the rough center of the house on the middle floor and the two nodes are on different floors.

Reduce the Transmit power on all ASUS devices to minimum on both 2.4 GHz and 5GHz bands.
Go to each node device location ( both nodes off) and get a RSSI reading from the main router on both 2.4 and 5 GHz bands. If above -65 dB, (e.g. -57 dB), then done for main router. If not , bump up the TX power on the main router for that band radio. Repeat as needed. Turn off main router - either disable radios or power off.
Power on one node. Take RSSI reading at location of main router. If above -65 dB, done. Check RSSI reading at other node. If above -65 dB, try to relocate one or both nodes to get power level down between nodes.
Go to the other node, do same thing checking power level at main router location and other node location.

If any node location is below -65dB, bump the TX power level up one notch on main. Repeat for each node.
Repeat for main and each node until you get adequate power levels on each band.

Turn on main and all nodes. Walk around the house looking for dead spots. Some locations may be covered by a node instead of the main router and vice versa, so pay attention to the MAC address of the RSSI value so you can identify the node covering. You only need one node or the main to cover a location, preferably not both. If you have dead spots that aren't tolerable, identify the strongest node for that location and bump the TX power level up a notch until at -65dB or slightly higher.

Recognize that 5GHz bands will have the least penetration through walls, floors, and ceilings. 2.4GHz will have the most and can usually go through two walls (without cabinets) or a floor/ceiling.
 
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change the channel width on each radio
Reduce the Transmit power on all ASUS devices

There is no such controls in AiMesh. All radios follow main unit channel settings and no individual AP power options. Some Qualcomm based home mesh systems have built-in mesh features and do automatic adjustments, but not Broadcom with AiMesh as extra software on top. Changing radio power in Asuswrt/Broadcom requires device reboot, Qualcomm does it on the fly.
 
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Indeed. Someone asked if business oriented hardware/software is better... it is for performance diagnostic and fine tuning options alone. Home mesh kits - it is what it is. Not the best, but user-friendly. Plug it in and watch YouTube.

I was actually impressed how Deco Qualcomm based system adapts automatically to main and satellite distance and signal levels. I know Nest Wifi and eero work the same way. Minimalistic system, but attempting adjustments in the background without the user even noticing. None will break any speed test records, but perhaps offer better overall user experience.
 
Well…. I have somewhat of an update. Hired an IT professional to come out and check out my setup and he also brought some equipment with him, Zyxel brand. First he checked speeds on my system and logged in and inspected settings. He found it weird that I get such a high upload speed with such a low download (in respect to subscribed speed). He disabled 2.4 channel and no improvement, changed bandwidth and channels on 5G-1 and no improvement so he hooked up his Zyxcel router and configured it and it performed exactly the same way. Which means like some here suspected, it’s an environment related issue.
Armed with this information I relocated the main router to the basement …no change. I also had ordered an xt12. It came yesterday so I replaced the xt8 router with it set it up and still the same. With nothing nodes connected to it and standing 10-15’ away I get around 530 DL and 850 UL.

So now that it’s confirmed its environment, what do I look for or am I just stuck ?
 
I would suggest looking for something more enjoyable in life than speed test troubleshooting.
That’s probably the best advice I have received throughout this whole ordeal….and I’m gonna try to for sure. The problem is once I have something in my head it’s hard to get it to leave.
 
You have tried almost everything possible, it is what it is. Still plenty of speed for family needs. And your wife most likely won't approve relocation because of speed test numbers. Otherwise I would move to a place with palm trees and beaches no matter what speed test shows there. Working on it. 🌴
 

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