EnGenius ESR9850

[Az Syndicate]

I have attached a jpg that shows what I have for WLAN/WAN monitor. Seems to work real time for me. Was this different in 1.09, I am afraid I did not look at this while I was using 1.09 this morning.

Also were do you see option to turn on/off hardware acceleration in 1.1.0?

 

[tipstir]

I have attached a jpg that shows what I have for WLAN/WAN monitor. Seems to work real time for me. Was this different in 1.09, I am afraid I did not look at this while I was using 1.09 this morning.

Also were do you see option to turn on/off hardware acceleration in 1.1.0?

Under the 1.10 I don't see the monitor it's gone. That's why EnGenius had sent me over 1.09 to fix the issue. Yes the option of HA is there in 1.09. There is a message from them to Tim about it in this very long thread a few pages back. Anyway shoot, if the ESR-9850 can stay stable as AP only which it's doing a great job doing so. I wanted to VPN test to run. Let to see how that goes.

 

[Az Syndicate]

I am running 1.1.0 and Have the monitor option. Did they fix this issue but not increment the firmware?

 

[jemz0r]

I can see there's still lots of confusion regarding 1.09 and 1.10.

1.09
Hardware NAT acceleration is an option. Default is disable.
When HW NAT is disabled, WLAN monitor is enabled.
When HW NAT is enabled, WLAN monitor is disabled.

1.10
Hardware NAT acceleration is enabled by default. No option to disable.
Setting any QoS service will cause HW NAT to disable.
When HW NAT is disabled, WLAN monitor is enabled.
When HW NAT is enabled, WLAN monitor is disabled. (DEFAULT)


Nothing else significant has changed, so there should not be any function bugs that are in 1.10 but not in 1.09 or vice-versa.
Same wireless drivers.

 

[tipstir]

I can see there's still lots of confusion regarding 1.09 and 1.10.

1.09
Hardware NAT acceleration is an option. Default is disable.
When HW NAT is disabled, WLAN monitor is enabled.
When HW NAT is enabled, WLAN monitor is disabled.

1.10
Hardware NAT acceleration is enabled by default. No option to disable.
Setting any QoS service will cause HW NAT to disable.
When HW NAT is disabled, WLAN monitor is enabled.
When HW NAT is enabled, WLAN monitor is disabled. (DEFAULT)


Nothing else significant has changed, so there should not be any function bugs that are in 1.10 but not in 1.09 or vice-versa.
Same wireless drivers.

Confusing but whatever works. But never assume if some thing never changed that something else has gone on the glitch when it comes to firmware changes! Don't need HW feature if you're not using Smart NAT so 1.09 works very well so far for the wireless. I have no issues here so far knock on wood! 10 nodes are stable. Master DHCP I going to run a test today. Put back ESR-9850 has the main. There seems to be a glitch on one of the sites I visit. They say it's a server issue on there part.

 

[Az Syndicate]

I can see there's still lots of confusion regarding 1.09 and 1.10.

1.09

1.10
Hardware NAT acceleration is enabled by default. No option to disable.
Setting any QoS service will cause HW NAT to disable.
When HW NAT is disabled, WLAN monitor is enabled.
When HW NAT is enabled, WLAN monitor is disabled. (DEFAULT)

Same wireless drivers.

Thank you so much for this break down. I had no idea that my single QOS rule (for my Ooma VoIP) would change the hardware acceleration. I also did not understand why my monitor was working!


So has anyone got test that show what the benefit of hardware acceleration is? Would I be better off disabling QOS for my phone thus getting hardware acceleration back?

One other thing to report. I had my VPN session using Nortel 10.01 x64 client up and running with no drops for 2hrs, 37 minutes today. Everything worked fine.

 

[tipstir]

Thank you so much for this break down. I had no idea that my single QOS rule (for my Ooma VoIP) would change the hardware acceleration. I also did not understand why my monitor was working!


So has anyone got test that show what the benefit of hardware acceleration is? Would I be better off disabling QOS for my phone thus getting hardware acceleration back?

One other thing to report. I had my VPN session using Nortel 10.01 x64 client up and running with no drops for 2hrs, 37 minutes today. Everything worked fine.

Well that's great news for you. I've started my test run again finally got the APC installed. Both ESR-9850s are active.. Let the test begin!

 

[tipstir]

Back in a reverse role play as the DHCP

Now I see what takes a very long time to load.

MS Outlook 2007 PST mine is over 3,000 plus emails, the program takes a while to load. I usually have my files kept on the server side and reside on the client. With this router it takes forever to load PST file. On the TEW-673GRU it's quicker to load. So LAN to LAN not as quick than I first thought it was.

 

[tipstir]

Funny how everything turns out. Well back to the ESR-9850 for both DHCP and AP for now. Found out there are some DNS Relay issues but not with ESR-9850.

 

[jemz0r]

Thank you so much for this break down. I had no idea that my single QOS rule (for my Ooma VoIP) would change the hardware acceleration. I also did not understand why my monitor was working!


So has anyone got test that show what the benefit of hardware acceleration is? Would I be better off disabling QOS for my phone thus getting hardware acceleration back?

One other thing to report. I had my VPN session using Nortel 10.01 x64 client up and running with no drops for 2hrs, 37 minutes today. Everything worked fine.

WAN to LAN wired speeds.

Software NAT: Around 250 ~ 350 Mbps
Hardware NAT: We've tested to over 800Mbps, but SNB gets different results.

Could be due to different computers used in the test, as network also depends on CPU, PCI or PCIe, motherboard chipset etc....

Remember, if the router needs to "inspect" any of the data packets (for QoS or monitor) then Software NAT is required.

 

[tipstir]

WAN to LAN wired speeds.

Software NAT: Around 250 ~ 350 Mbps
Hardware NAT: We've tested to over 800Mbps, but SNB gets different results.

Could be due to different computers used in the test, as network also depends on CPU, PCI or PCIe, motherboard chipset etc....

Remember, if the router needs to "inspect" any of the data packets (for QoS or monitor) then Software NAT is required.

Hope you're doing real-time testing and not through the DMZ?. How did you get 800Mbps? I've told some Senior Network Engineers about this site and the router and they're were shock that this router could be getting such speeds. Their question what's the trade off?

So what are you guys at EnGenius using to test these routers for such speeds?

 

[Machan1888]

I've only heard of 600mbps speed with 5ghz wireless n on the 40mhz channel with channel bonding

 

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

I'm stuck between

"NETGEAR WNDR3700" with dd-wrt (supports dd-wrt, good all round performance, however maximum simultaneous connections limited to 4,096 compared to the EnGenius whooping 19,721)

Or maybe the EnGenius ESR-9850 hm ... (very good performance especially the 19,721 connections. However no DD-WRT support yet, and wireless coverage/speed is questionable)


Is the 9850 wireless N good enough to go through the wall to the 2nd floor directly above me ? Is it stable ? Also any chance DD-WRT will be supported on it eventually ?

In DD-WRT firmware on Buffalo if I use it as a Router the default value is 4096 connections even on 200MHz with 16MB of RAM. But the WNDR3700 has 680MHz with 64MB of RAM so can't see the harm to increase that by 4 = 16,384 connections. If you can do it though?

Also tippy says it is possible to increase the max simultaneous connections with DD-WRT. So does that make the WNDR3700 a better choice because it has better hardware?

 

[tipstir]

I'm stuck between

"NETGEAR WNDR3700" with dd-wrt (supports dd-wrt, good all round performance, however maximum simultaneous connections limited to 4,096 compared to the EnGenius whooping 19,721)

Or maybe the EnGenius ESR-9850 hm ... (very good performance especially the 19,721 connections. However no DD-WRT support yet, and wireless coverage/speed is questionable)


Is the 9850 wireless N good enough to go through the wall to the 2nd floor directly above me ? Is it stable ? Also any chance DD-WRT will be supported on it eventually ?





Also tippy says it is possible to increase the max simultaneous connections with DD-WRT. So does that make the WNDR3700 a better choice because it has better hardware?

But looking at the FCC ID Photos the WNDR3700 and TEW-673GRU (LED/LCD panel) where the WNDR3700 doesn't just lights, anyway both uses the same chip sets for WNPU and dual wireless chips along with Realtek Gig controller 832KB packet memory buffer which is also in ESR-9850 (Realtek Gig Controller only) So does the Belkin N+ (Realtek Gig Controller)

My downs are 30 mbps and 5 mbps up plus power boost gives me over 32 mbps and 6 mbps. I've test out the:

P2P MSC
(note: tested with VUZE set to 100 with TCP.SYS changed to 10 to 100 on PCI-E Gig NIC adapter on AMD 4c/4t with 4GB and W7U64-bit)
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TEW-673GRU - steady stream from 2.xx to 3.xx mb/s (note it gets very close to 4.xx)
ESR-9850 - fluctuates stream from 1.xx, 2.xx, 3.xx to 4.xx mb/s (note: max tested so far, but I haven't seen it again so it maxes at 3.xx)
Belkin N+ - fluctuates stream from 1.xx, 2.xx, 3.xx mb/s (note the max was 3.86 mb/s)
DIR-655 - fluctuates stream from 1.xx, 2.xx mb/s (note the max was 2.63 mb/s)

As for the wireless N on the ESR9850 I've tested it against the Belkin N+ and TEW-673GRU all are the same. Except for some glitches.

Glitches:
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ESR9850 seems to shutdown after heavy-duty usage
Example: Heavy-duty Wireless and use Gig connections for RDP/YT download at the same time. In AP mode. This morning I go to use the wireless and sure enough the ESR9850 wireless is not running. Gone, vanish, POOF you name it back to the Belkin N+ in mix mode for now.

TEW-673GR (one web site hangs on posting either wireless or wired) other than that seems super duper quick and stable.

Belkin N + none (stable)

All three of them right on the wireless I see on inSSDer under RSSi -45dBM using miniUSB 802.11n on desktop running Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit.

 

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

ESR-9850 router = RM625

WNDR3700 = rm 770


So i get the WNDR3700 and slap on dd-wrt ?? ok :d ?

 

[tipstir]

ESR-9850 router = RM625

WNDR3700 = rm 770


So i get the WNDR3700 and slap on dd-wrt ?? ok :d ?

That's really up to you to decide? Me personally, I won't touch WNDR3700 or buy it! But if you really want to buy it then I would advise you too read over the DD-WRT thread with WNDR3700 support so far. I see a lot of them are downgrading back to the Netgear firmware.
http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=349815

Heck if I decide to ship back the TEW-673GRU? I'll exchange it for E3000. Give that one a spin.. I still think firmware issue with DNS Relay just one of my favorites acts weird. This site no issues, just that one site it hangs and gives me error. ESR9850 and Belkin N+ works great with that site. TEW-673GRU issue. If you want fast downloads in P2P and stable wireless in mix or N or g then Belkin N+ still being sold. ESR-9850 makes a fast router for wired connections. Wireless issues from 1.09 and 1.10 still present in both ESR9850.

Otherwise the DD-WRT and the router of your choice? Good luck!

 

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

That's really up to you to decide? Me personally, I won't touch WNDR3700 or buy it! But if you really want to buy it then I would advise you too read over the DD-WRT thread with WNDR3700 support so far. I see a lot of them are downgrading back to the Netgear firmware.
http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=349815

Heck if I decide to ship back the TEW-673GRU? I'll exchange it for E3000. Give that one a spin.. I still think firmware issue with DNS Relay just one of my favorites acts weird. This site no issues, just that one site it hangs and gives me error. ESR9850 and Belkin N+ works great with that site. TEW-673GRU issue. If you want fast downloads in P2P and stable wireless in mix or N or g then Belkin N+ still being sold. ESR-9850 makes a fast router for wired connections. Wireless issues from 1.09 and 1.10 still present in both ESR9850.

Otherwise the DD-WRT and the router of your choice? Good luck!

Well i wouldn't mind the wireless issue for the ESR9850 as long as it routes wired good and is stable for p2p. But according to you, it fails at p2p o_o; ???

the WNDR3700 on DD-WRT they did say wireless performance was much worse then Netgear stock firmware, but it has been improved alot. It is still not as high, but the small difference is fine with me cauz i get to run DD-WRT on it. I did also find an article mentioning changing the DD-WRT default maximum simultaneous connections from 4096 to any other value.
http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Router_Slowdown
Also because you said with the WNDR3700 cpu and ram, it would be safe to increase it to 16384; this made me think it may be a better balance than the ESR9850. Surely not better in terms of WAN > Lan, LAN < Wan (but considering i'm from Malaysia which has broadband less then 20mb download/upload, the wan/lan isn't gonna mean much as since the WNDR3700 performance in this regards seems to be in acceptable range); but surely good for p2p + wireless (which the ESR9850 seems to fail i am told).

Wadouthink :/ ?



Hm :/

 

[tipstir]

Well i wouldn't mind the wireless issue for the ESR9850 as long as it routes wired good and is stable for p2p. But according to you, it fails at p2p o_o; ???

the WNDR3700 on DD-WRT they did say wireless performance was much worse then Netgear stock firmware, but it has been improved alot. It is still not as high, but the small difference is fine with me cauz i get to run DD-WRT on it. I did also find an article mentioning changing the DD-WRT default maximum simultaneous connections from 4096 to any other value.
http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Router_Slowdown
Also because you said with the WNDR3700 cpu and ram, it would be safe to increase it to 16384; this made me think it may be a better balance than the ESR9850. Surely not better in terms of WAN > Lan, LAN < Wan (but considering i'm from Malaysia which has broadband less then 20mb download/upload, the wan/lan isn't gonna mean much as since the WNDR3700 performance in this regards seems to be in acceptable range); but surely good for p2p + wireless (which the ESR9850 seems to fail i am told).

Wadouthink :/ ?



Hm :/

ESR9850 is basic router no frills and the WNDR3700 packs more bang in the firmware from Netgear. DD-WRT unlocks the crippled firmware. I am sure one day they'll have ESR9850 and maybe the TEW-673GRU on DD-WRT soon. For now you seem keen on WNDR3700. Then my advise is to get it and re-flash DD-WRT on it. Test it out on P2P and such and see if you like it. If not re-flash it back to Netgear stock and go and get another router or keep it? It's like rolling the dice on these routers to see which one performs well on P2P.

 

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

ESR9850 smart nat seems useful for p2p. But now i think about it, i will have to go with the WNDR3700 because i need to be able to change vlan ethernet port for my shirtty isp. Only can do that with DD-WRT :/

Or can the ESR9850 configure vlan on ethernet port :/ ???

 

[tipstir]

ESR9850 smart nat seems useful for p2p. But now i think about it, i will have to go with the WNDR3700 because i need to be able to change vlan ethernet port for my shirtty isp. Only can do that with DD-WRT :/

Or can the ESR9850 configure vlan on ethernet port :/ ???

Not without the help of DD-WRT, not true if such a feature will work on ESR9850. I've seen it Buffalo wireless routers other than Cisco products. You do know that 450/450mbps routers are appearing well suppose too. Those have PCI-E bus for Dual router instead of PCI bus in WNDR-3700 and Rbus 128MHz in ESR9850 base on the chipset used.

RT3383 Ralink uses 500MHz with 64K Cache I (instruction) and 32K for D (data) PCI Bus ESR9850 Ralink 384MHz 32Kt I and 16K D. Data on the AR7161 680MHz 32K I / 32K D (PCI Bus 33/66MHz) So the WNDR3700 would have faster routing than the ESR9850, but the folks at EnGenius uses the Network Hardware Engine to kick like nitro boost to the router.

That you can see on the screen. But after you remove and cleared the cache of the browser and defrag the HDD. On google chrome it quick with AR7161 on TEW-673GRU close second would be ESR9850 firmware 1.10 and third Belkin N+ 266Mhz 16K I / 16K D (PCI Bus).