What's new

Linksys WRT1900AC First User Reports

  • SNBForums Code of Conduct

    SNBForums is a community for everyone, no matter what their level of experience.

    Please be tolerant and patient of others, especially newcomers. We are all here to share and learn!

    The rules are simple: Be patient, be nice, be helpful or be gone!

Hi,
Maybe you noticed in the user guide? It says if router is in one story house, all 4 sticks
stay vertical. I received WRT and first thing I took it apart. Remove 4 screws at the bottom and it falls apart like Lego (old WRT). Lots of vent holds top and bottom except top front half portion. Quite heavy, AC adapter is rated 12V @4 amps. DC Netgear R7000 is @3.5 amp notice the difference in weight between two. Reassembled the router quick set up. Ready to beat it up on week ends. One I noted 2.4GHz auto b/w setting defaults to 40MHz??? If any one want to take it apart to have a peek, make sure
you don't pull off antenna coax in the front from the connector.
 
Last edited:
Hi,
Can some one look at WRT 2.4GHz band status with inSSIDer 3 or 4? Graphic b/w
rendering looks very odd, I mean VERY wide???
 
WRT1900AC compared to Asus AC56U.

I hooked the WRT1900AC up in place of my Asus AC56U for a few hours.

Using current (at the time) firmware:

Linksys Ver.1.1.7.160177 (Update, tested newer FW .160582..got same results)
Asus: 3.0.0.4.374_5656

Computers used: Samsung Series 7 Laptop NP700Z7C (with Intel AC7260 -dr 17.0.0.34) _&_ custom built desktop- Asrock 990FX MB (Broadcom NetLink Gigabit Ethernet (15.6.0.6) BOTH are Win 8.1 x64....all cables are cat6a.

WAN speed on my CenturyLink DSL via PPPoE same.

LAN wired speed same. (100-118MB's)

5ghz Wifi speed: ch 149

File transfer speeds:

Close range(same room 5ft or so away), the Asus beats the Linksys.

Asus: (link rate 766-866)

Desktop to laptop: 55-60MB's
Laptop to desktop: 35-38MB's

Linksys: (link rate 650-866, avg 780 when traffic)

Desktop to laptop: 47-49MB's
Laptop to desktop: 34-35MB's
---

Long range (laptop on my living-room coffee table approx 26ft away, through a wall and around a large crt tv), the Linksys wins.

Asus: (link rate 260-390, drop to 195 a few times)

Desktop to laptop: 10-15MB's
Laptop to desktop: 9-15MB's

Linksys:(link rate 525-650, drop to 320 a few times)

Desktop to laptop: 25-30MB's
Laptop to desktop: 19-20MB's

The overall range of the Linksys(5ghz) was a tad better.

The Linksys gave better throughput at longer range which I surmise is due to the external antennas. (AC56U is internal) I live in a med sized 2 bed apartment, so long range is not much a concern for me.

(I have a very cluttered 2.4g environment, 20+ networks in range from my living-room, so I can't test that band well. The Linksys 2.4g was very strong signal, strongest I have seen. For some reason, it chose ch 11 and 40mhz mode despite all the other networks around and being set to Auto mode. There was at least 4 other network on ch 11. I could only get about 2-4MB's out of the 2.4g band. Pretty much the same results with the Asus.)

I had an issue with the Linksys Web GUI locking up a few times as I was browsing the pages. It would just show the "Waiting" box. The Smart Wifi thing via their website or app could not connect either. A reboot of the router fixed it. This happened 3 times.

The built in SpeedTest app used Chicago, IL (I am in MPLS, MN) However, it did give pretty close results. (I have 50/20).

The Linksys WRT is a decent performer. However, as many others have mentioned, it is lacking in features when compared to others. Built in (free)DDNS service, OpenVPN/PPPTP server client, WOL, and lack of advanced statistics, logging, and access to more complex settings(to fine tune things) is why my Asus AC56U still remains my main router. The Linksys firmware I am not very fond of anyway.

I did test the NAS ability of the WRT a bit earlier, that is where this product shines! Read about that in bottom part of this post. I have a dedicated NAS, so this feature I do not use. If your main concern is a router based NAS performance, the WRT is the router to get!

I will give the WRT another try once OpenWRT releases a stable version. But for now, in its current state and price($250) its overpriced for the feature set you get, in my opinion.
 
Last edited:
The Linksys WRT is a decent performer. However, as many others have mentioned, it is lacking in features when compared to others. Built in (free)DDNS service, OpenVPN/PPPTP server client, WOL, and lack of advanced statistics, logging, and access to more complex settings(to fine tune things) is why my Asus AC56U still remains my main router. The Linksys firmware I am not very fond of anyway.

If possible, can you share the Laptop OS, WiFi Card/Chipset, and Driver versions?

I'm assuming you're on the current Linksys firmware...

sfx
 
Last edited:
Hi,
Can some one look at WRT 2.4GHz band status with inSSIDer 3 or 4? Graphic b/w
rendering looks very odd, I mean VERY wide???

Like perhaps 80Ghz wide? If so, this might be a bug in inSSIDer 3/4 - with InSSIDer 2.1, the 2.4Ghz shows the correct values for narrow and wide channels. Confirmed this casually with my old WiSpy and, I'll discuss later with a quick 10 minute window on a real spectrum analyzer.

In the default Mixed-Mode, the WRT1900ac sends VHT information elements, and some chipsets make assumptions based on that.

Might try setting 2.4Ghz to B/G/N or N-only and see if you get the same indications.
 
Hi,
Tried latest inSSIDer too. When set to mixed mode it does that. Graphic b/w is wall to wall. Hope this is not the case really.
 
If possible, can you share the Laptop OS, WiFi Card/Chipset, and Driver versions?

I'm assuming you're on the current Linksys firmware...Ver.1.1.7.160177

sfx

Thanks for reminding me....forgot to post that...and yes..current Linksys firmware at the time

Computers used: Samsung Series 7 Laptop NP700Z7C (with Intel AC7260 -dr 17.0.0.34) _&_ custom built desktop- Asrock 990FX MB (Broadcom NetLink Gigabit Ethernet (15.6.0.6) BOTH are Win 8.1 x64....all cables are cat6a.

Hi,
Tried latest inSSIDer too. When set to mixed mode it does that. Graphic b/w is wall to wall. Hope this is not the case really.

I can confirm that using latest version of inSSIDer for Windows, the graph does show up very wide like that. The same app on my S3, however, shows correctly.
 
Last edited:
Hi,
Tried latest inSSIDer too. When set to mixed mode it does that. Graphic b/w is wall to wall. Hope this is not the case really.

it's not - try setting the router to B/G/N mode - try auto and 20Mhz only and report back...

Also would be interesting if you can post screen shots of the mondo-channels so we can giggle at Metageek if nothing else.

sfx
 
User Experience

I can't speak too much to technical testing, but I just received the router and set it up. Here are some of my thoughts at this point:

Background:
A couple years ago I purchased the ASUS N66U router after hearing all the rave reviews of it being extremely flexible, feature rich and having excellent range. I justified the purchase thinking that it would be a solid performing router for years to come, but sadly this hasn't been the case. The main issue I've had with it is a client disconnecting every 3-5 minutes. I've done everything I know of (and had a lot of help from folks here on SNB) with no success. The two features I was really excited about, the download manager and being able to access NAS, were also buggy, and the performance was disappointing. I also loved the idea of setting up a VPN, but from my understanding you can't set up a VPN on just the 5GHz band directly from the router, which prevents me from using it, so at this point I'll be passing the router along to someone else.

Fast forward to the WRT1900ac. I just received it today, so I can only give you my first impressions. Opening the box was actually a delightful experience. Belkin really stepped up it's game on this. The packaging and presentation are all way more than we've all come to expect from a consumer electronic product like this. Excellent foam padding, a flat discreet Ethernet cable and a laptop-like power brick to reduce clutter at the outlet are all very nice touches. The unit itself is also massive and built like a tank. It seems a little excessive, but it certainly inspires a bit of confidence. The only documentation is a quick start guide and a CD.

First time setup was a bit of a pain for me. My desktop units are not near my cable modem where the router will be located, and my personal portable does not include an Ethernet jack (required for first time setup, so I had to borrow one to get it going. Once I did everything else went without a hitch.

None of the settings I've changed thus far have required a reboot. External storage was online and immediately accessible. I'll be seeing how well it does as a DLNA server tonight. From my brief testing of it from a computer it can stream 1080p files without a hitch--the main reason I went with this unit over a cheaper one. For me, having one large disk attached is plenty, and cheaper than having a router + NAS setup, which would be overkill for me.

I'll echo others statements in saying that the Linksys Smart Wi-Fi interface is a bit clunky, and things are hidden in places you might not expect. The features themselves all seem easy to use and well implemented, however.

I haven't done any testing worth repeating, all I can say is that I get excellent signal and transmit rates on the 5GHz band that I did not get using the N66U from the same location. I haven't used the 2.4GHz band much, but I'll report back on that if anything unusual (good or bad) comes up.

It will be interesting to see what Open WRT brings. If the stock firmware can bring consistency and a few more features I'd be happy staying on that.

What I'm hoping comes down the line soon:

Wireless backups for both PC and Mac clients.
A spindown timer for external storage
Built in VPN settings with options to add the VPN to specific bands
Refinement of the Smart Wi-Fi interface
Torrent/download manager

If none of those things happen I won't be too sad.

At this point I can corroborate others reviews in saying that this is a solid router with excellent speeds (especially from attached storage) and good range. It lacks features that aren't essential to me, but would definitely be nice.

If I have a drastically different opinion of this after a few months of use I'll come back and edit this post. Right now I can recommend it if you can live with the few caveats it currently has.
 
rwnf, thank you for your report, much appreciated.

Just a request: if you do have further info, edit this original post of yours to include a link to the next post: otherwise, nobody will read your updated impressions.

(Edited posts don't show as new/unread).
 
rwnf, thank you for your report, much appreciated.

Just a request: if you do have further info, edit this original post of yours to include a link to the next post: otherwise, nobody will read your updated impressions.

(Edited posts don't show as new/unread).
Better to write a new post with a link back to the earlier one. Saves a click in many cases.
 
Overview - Part 1 of 2

I spent a couple of hours poking at a WRT1900AC (I got mine last Wednesday).

Since Tim already pretty much covered everything related to wifi performance (and because my small apartment doesn't really pose any challenge to any wifi router), I will focus on other aspects of the router in this overview.


Initial impression - the package
The whole packaging has a very premium feel to it, just like those enthusiast products you can buy from companies such as Corsair (a power supply I recently installed in a customer's system came in a velvelt pouch!), or Asus's ROG/TUF series of motherboards. The (rather large) box is very well padded, with cutouts for the antennas

The router itself also feels very solid. It's quite large and a bit heavy, but it doesn't feel cheap in any way. The Ethernet jacks themselves also had a very loud "click!" when I plugged my cables into it.

Belkin went to a power pack design (think like a laptop power pack) rather than a wall wart, which those of us using powerbars or a small UPS to plug their networking equipment will definitely prefer.


Initial setup
After telling it I had no interest in creating an online account and preferred the non-cloud based configuration, I went through the initial setup wizard. The procedure is fairly simple and the UI looks quite clean. After going through a few screens I was connected to the Internet, and ended up on the firmware's main page. That's where things started to go downhill for me...


Wifi performance:
As noted earlier, I have a small appartment with quite thin walls, so it won't provide any kind of challenge to any modern router. I was sitting in the same room as the router while testing it. Quick summary: the link rate was slightly higher than my RT-AC68U (I was switching between 780 and 866 Mbps, while the RT-AC68U never gives me above 780 Mbps), however a quick throughout test showed slighly lower throughput than the Asus. This is the kind of thing which I suspect will improve over time as Belkin tweaks things out in the driver (considering this is a new hardware platform for them versus the traditionnal Broadcom they are used to work with).


Guest networking:
After completing the initial setup, I was puzzled when I noticed that Windows was reporting two unencrypted Guest networks available by default! After digging through the documentation, I figured out that Belkin is implementing their Guest network as some form of captive portal. Anyone can connect to the wifi radio, however web access gets redirected to a login page, where you must enter a password provided by the router's administrator. Personally I'm unsure whether this is a good or a bad idea. It's good because it might make it easier to connect a guest without having them configure an actual wifi profile. However this probably also means that anything they send over the Guest Network would be unencrypted.

At the very least, I would have made Guest Networking to be disabled by default.


Firmware interface - overview
Overall, the web interface looks clean, polished and modern. It's generally rather responsive, with the usual 2-5 seconds pause between saves as services get restarted. The pages where you can edit entries (such as the DHCP reservation list) is clean and intuitive to use.

Speaking of DHCP reservations... I'd love to understand why adding a new DHCP reservations causes wireless devices to be disconnected from Wifi? Since I can't see any technical reason why the two of them would be linked, I'd have to assume it's a bug, or a design oversight. Makes it quite difficult to configure a couple of DHCP reservations from a wireless laptop as you get disconnected from the router between every saves...

Another weird thing with the web interface: for some odd reason, you cannot select/copy any text on the webui. So forget about copy/pasting your DHCP leases, or just copying a MAC address on a page to paste it elsewhere - for some reason Chrome refused to let me select and copy any text.

Some of the more advanced features rely on drag'n'drop to be configured (such as QoS). This has both advantages (very visual to configure) and inconveniences (makes things more limited - the QoS feature for instance is limited to drag and dropping devices and/or protocol definitions in a list)

Some features can also be hard to find. I thought there was no way to reboot the router through the web interface, until I accidentally found it on the Troubleshooting page.


Firmware features:
As noted by others, the firmware is very lacking in features. A 279$ router that targets enthusiasts should support at least a number of enthusiast-favorite features. For instance, there is no telnet/SSH interface. (even more annoying: even the serial console offers no console terminal). So basically, everything related to the stock firmware is completely closed off, with zero possibility to tweak, or even diagnose things out.

There is also no VPN service, which is something an increasing number of enthusiast users are interested in.

The QoS is also very, very basic. They also made it so novice-friendly that it's hard to know what it actually does in reality. The more technically-skilled users will want to know how that priority system works. What percentage of traffic gets allocated to who?

The number of supported DDNS services is limited (altho they did add No-IP support in a recent firmware update). Supporting a meta-service such as DNS-o-Matic would have allowed people to use a very wide range of available services without putting the burden of supporting these on Belkin's shoulders.

Maybe my memory's wrong, but I thought I saw mentions about the router lacking a way to monitor traffic. You do get traffic monitoring out of the Networkmap section. Nothing very exhaustive, but should be enough for most home users who simply need to track down monthly usage due to their ISP's limited allocated traffic.

Also, no ext3 support according to the documentation felt kinda odd to me. I know they got pretty good NTFS performance, but the reliability of ext3/ext4 might be desirable.

One thing that puzzles me. Old timers like me know what "Identd port 113" is for. Anyone who has first set foot on the Internet in the Facebook (or even Myspace) era will have no idea what this setting is for. Why are Linksys firmwares still offering a setting to filter this out? :)
 
Last edited:
Overview - Part 2/2

Disk sharing
This just so... weird. Tim can't get a stable USB 3.0 disk to work with the Asus RT-AC68U, but gets flawless performance out of the WRT1900AC. In my case? I get flawless performance out of my RT-AC68U, but the WRT1900AC is simply unable to mount that same disk. It goes to show how, in general, USB disk support on these routers is very much a hit-or-miss thing.

This is where I would have really wished to gain access to telnet/ssh to be able to do any kind of troubleshooting. All I get from the web interface is that the mount type is unsupported. The serial console didn't give me much information either:

Code:
[utopia][usb hotplug] Loading partition 1/1 
[utopia][usb hotplug] not mounted: sda (Microsoft) unsupported

This is a plain 750 GB HDD with one partition formatted as NTFS. Go figure.

A 4 GB USB flash drive formatted as NTFS was properly detected.

I didn't go any further in testing disk performance as Tim already covered it, and I'd have to dig up another USB/eSata disk from my drawers and hope one of them does get mounted by the router. I might try again in the future.

Because of this, I didn't test any of the disk-related functionalities, be it Samba, FTP or DLNA.


Open source ready?
Considering how disappointing Belkin's stock firmware is, everyone is placing very high hopes on a solid third party firmware support for this device. Sadly, things started on the wrong foot, as apparently Belkin talked a lot about being OpenWRT-ready... before even showing any code to the OpenWRT developers! The initial code they provided the OpenWRT devs was only a week before the router's availability, and the provided code was in a state that was unacceptable to OpenWRT developers, in big part due to the code coming with closed-source binaries, a big no-no for OpenWRT.

A few weeks later, Belkin finally provided the source code to these components as well, however so far the reception by the OpenWRT development community has been less than enthusiastic... Complains about the poor shape of the code and the use of custom/proprietary interfaces rather than the standard Linux interfaces for interfacting with the wireless stack even led some of them question whether it was worth the trouble of cleaning it all up, considering that any work (at this moment) would be strictly for this specific router model (as no one else, AFAIK, uses the same Marvell platform at this time).

So for now, if you are looking for a router that has strong open source support, the WRT1900AC is NOT a good choice. I recommend people wait at least a few weeks to see how it evolves.

As for the other opensource firmwares out there, no sign of future support from the DD-WRT folks, and I'm having personal doubts that Tomato will ever support it, considering their codebase is very tighly linked to the Broadcom platform, and the remaining developers might not have the technical know-how to pull it off. We'll have to see.


The low level guts:
Beneath all of this, I poked a bit at the router's low levels. Opening the WRT1900AC to access the serial header isn't hard - but it's not as easy as it could have been either. It's very easy to remove the blue faceplate - Belkin should have put the header accessible from there, so a developer could work with the router still in its casing, aside from its frontplate from where the serial cable would be sticking out. Sadly it's a bit further on the back of the board, so you have to also pull off the black top half of the router, making it a bit more ackward to work with since two of the antenna headers are on that half of the case.

The router's hardware has already been quite widely documented: 1.2 GHz Marvell Armada ARMv7 CPU, 256 MB RAM, 128 MB flash, etc...

The boot loader is uBoot-based, which offers a very rich command set from the serial interface. There are even settings that would let you in theory boot the firmware over PXE, or from a USB disk (I didn't test either method). Here's a list of supported commands:

http://www.lostrealm.ca/temp/wrt1900ac-bootcmd.log

There are two firmware partitions, which means if you flash a bad firmware on the first partition, the router will eventually revert to booting from the second copy, making it easier to develop without the need of a serial cable to recover (tho any serious firmware development without a serial cable will only make things more difficult to debug, quite honestly).

The stock firmware itself is based on Linux 3.2.40, which is reasonably recent without being bleeding-edge. Due to the lack of any kind of terminal access, I couldn't really poke at it like I would have liked. Here's the boot log dump:

http://www.lostrealm.ca/temp/wrt1900ac.log


===
That covers my overview. In summary: the hardware is solid, the provided firmware leaves to be desired, and the opensource support at this point is still a big question mark.

My conclusion: this router, as it currently is, isn't worth spending 279$ on. The hardware looks solid, but the firmware doesn't justify such a price premium. Belkin will need to seriously improve upon it. My biggest fear at this time is that they might just sit back, and hope that the OpenWRT community will take over from there.
 
Last edited:
Well said RMerlin. We seem to have very similar experiences/opinions with it...except for the usb 3 thing.

I assume u updated to the latest firmware for ur testing(the one I received was out of date)....though a new firmware version just came out yesterday. (added tagged vlan, not sure what else, if anything).
 
Last edited:
Well said RMerlin. We seem to have very similar experiences/opinions with it...except for the usb 3 thing.

I assume u updated to the latest firmware for ur testing(the one I recieved was out of date....though a new firmware version just came our yesterday. (added tagged vlan, not sure what else, if anything).

My tests were done with version 1.1.7.160177, which was flashed during the setup process. I completed my actual usage test two nights ago, I only did the serial-hooked tests tonight.
 
Overview - Part 2/2

Disk sharing
This just so... weird. Tim can't get a stable USB 3.0 disk to work with the Asus RT-AC68U, but gets flawless performance out of the WRT1900AC. In my case? I get flawless performance out of my RT-AC68U, but the WRT1900AC is simply unable to mount that same disk. It goes to show how, in general, USB disk support on these routers is very much a hit-or-miss thing.

This is where I would have really wished to gain access to telnet/ssh to be able to do any kind of troubleshooting. All I get from the web interface is that the mount type is unsupported. The serial console didn't give me much information either:

Code:
[utopia][usb hotplug] Loading partition 1/1 
[utopia][usb hotplug] not mounted: sda (Microsoft) unsupported

This is a plain 750 GB HDD with one partition formatted as NTFS. Go figure.

A 4 GB USB flash drive formatted as NTFS was properly detected.

I didn't go any further in testing disk performance as Tim already covered it, and I'd have to dig up another USB/eSata disk from my drawers and hope one of them does get mounted by the router. I might try again in the future.


My conclusion: this router, as it currently is, isn't worth spending 279$ on. The hardware looks solid, but the firmware doesn't justify such a price premium. Belkin will need to seriously improve upon it. My biggest fear at this time is that they might just sit back, and hope that the OpenWRT community will take over from there.

Good review.....but the WRT1900's bread and butter is the USB performance and the main reason to buy it...which you weren't able to test. The router's price is too rich for my blood, but I would actually consider buying it just based on USB 3.0 esata performance alone.

I would like to see if someone will test it while it's in bridge mode (equivalent to ASUS AP mode) and confirm the USB/esata performance is there. If someone with an RT-N66U needs an AC AP with speedy USB performance, this product seems like a winner. We'll have to wait and see on the rest.
 
Good review.....but the WRT1900's bread and butter is the USB performance and the main reason to buy it

I disagree. Any router's bread and butter should be routing and managing traffic. If your main reason to buy a specific router is its disk sharing performance, you are doing it wrong IMHO. Features such as disk or printer sharing should always be secondary to the router's main duties. And anyone worried about security wouldn't use their fronting router/firewall to double duties as a file server. It's like keeping the jewels right by the door instead of in a locked safe deeper inside your house.

...which you weren't able to test.

A very standard disk that had been freshly partitioned and formated on a Win7 laptop failed to be mounted by the router. It doesn't matter how fast it can be if compatibility is a problem.

It wasn't even as if there was anything special. It wasn't a large disk, it was using standard 512 bytes sectors... And the router offered little assistance in troubleshooting the cause.

So compatibility aside, maybe USB sharing is this router's strongest point, but it shouldn't be a primary decision factor when choosing a router to buy. It should be a bonus feature - one that cannot alone justify the price premium, considering the price of a single-disk NAS these days.
 
Hi,
Tried latest inSSIDer too. When set to mixed mode it does that. Graphic b/w is wall to wall. Hope this is not the case really.

Yea...in mixed mode...this is how inSSIDer sees the 2.4 band of the Linksys.

(It is the network called "Pridelands2.4')
 

Attachments

  • wifi.jpg
    wifi.jpg
    56.9 KB · Views: 348

Similar threads

Latest threads

Support SNBForums w/ Amazon

If you'd like to support SNBForums, just use this link and buy anything on Amazon. Thanks!

Sign Up For SNBForums Daily Digest

Get an update of what's new every day delivered to your mailbox. Sign up here!
Top