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I disagree. Any router's bread and butter should be routing and managing traffic. If your main reason to buy a specific router is its disk sharing performance, you are doing it wrong IMHO. Features such as disk or printer sharing should always be secondary to the router's main duties. And anyone worried about security wouldn't use their fronting router/firewall to double duties as a file server. It's like keeping the jewels right by the door instead of in a locked safe deeper inside your house.



A very standard disk that had been freshly partitioned and formated on a Win7 laptop failed to be mounted by the router. It doesn't matter how fast it can be if compatibility is a problem.

It wasn't even as if there was anything special. It wasn't a large disk, it was using standard 512 bytes sectors... And the router offered little assistance in troubleshooting the cause.

So compatibility aside, maybe USB sharing is this router's strongest point, but it shouldn't be a primary decision factor when choosing a router to buy. It should be a bonus feature - one that cannot alone justify the price premium, considering the price of a single-disk NAS these days.

I'm surprised someone like you doesn't own more than one USB 3.0 drive. I've got three of them within 20 feet of me. It just seemed odd (funny) that you glossed over the routers most impressive "feature". Are you saying it didn't do routing well and manage traffic well? Lol.

I'm just giving you crap.....since you're an ASUS homer. ;)
 
Yea...in mixed mode...this is how inSSIDer sees the 2.4 band of the Linksys.

(It is the network called "Pridelands2.4')

It's a glitch in how InSSIDer reports information from the WiFi driver - what are you using for WiFi (Vendor/Chipset/Driver version?)

I'm attaching a WiSPY classic trace - this is the WRT1900ac in 2.4Ghz Mixed Mode in 20/40 auto channel width.

It's the one on the left in Channel 1 - the other high level source in my other router on channel 11.
 

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Hi,
My Wifi cards are Intel 7260, 5100, Linksys USB adapter, Netgear A6200, ASUS N300 USB adapter, all of them does it on inSSIDer. First time ever seeing this phenomenon. It may frighten some folks, LOL! Weird alright.
 
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I also noticed the weird InSSIDer display, using my Intel 7260 AC card.. Has anyone contacted Metageek about it?
 
I'm surprised someone like you doesn't own more than one USB 3.0 drive. I've got three of them within 20 feet of me.

I only have one portable 750 GB which I use for tests or for carrying with me, and one large 3 TB which I use for my backups. Have no need for any additional disk, I have a handful of USB flash drives to handle any other tasks.

The AC cable of that backup HDD is too short to plug it on the main router on my network (it sits on a top shelf, with my UPS at the bottom). It was already getting late, so I stopped my tests there for the night. I'll re-test the disk sharing part another time, with the router sitting closer to a power outlet within my LAN.

It just seemed odd (funny) that you glossed over the routers most impressive "feature". Are you saying it didn't do routing well and manage traffic well? Lol.

A router without an OpenVPN server is useless to me, as I need to be able to connect back home while at work. And I can't configure my HE tunnel on this router. Those are all deal-breaker that prevents me from being able to use this router as my main router, so I had to stop my tests after one evening, and put back my regular router.

And the fact the router firmware is more or less a black box is also a turn-off for me, with no Tomato or DD-WRT alternative to resolve this.

The router has potential, since the hardware is solid, and this is the most important thing as you cannot "upgrade" faulty hardware. It needs a lot of work on the firmware side of things, this is where the coming weeks/months will be critical if Belkin is serious in pushing this router as their top-of-the-line enthusiast-level product.
 
It's a glitch in how InSSIDer reports information from the WiFi driver - what are you using for WiFi (Vendor/Chipset/Driver version?)

I'm attaching a WiSPY classic trace - this is the WRT1900ac in 2.4Ghz Mixed Mode in 20/40 auto channel width.

It's the one on the left in Channel 1 - the other high level source in my other router on channel 11.

ooo....WiFi Spy.....always wanted one of those...but pricy..


Anyway, same as most Intel AC7260...
 
ooo....WiFi Spy.....always wanted one of those...but pricy..


Anyway, same as most Intel AC7260...

my wispy is the original one - single band and not very high resolution, but it works in a pinch... and good to put folks minds at ease, for example, in use cases like this...

It's a odd glitch - my thought is that it's due to the 2.4GHz chip including VHT information in the beacon frame - and the 7260 (and other AC aware chipset/drivers) may correctly interpret the settings.

The WRT1900ac - in mixed mode, even Apple's CoreWLAN framework sees the 2.4GHz as 802.11ac, but it does correctly show the data rates and channel width settings.

To make InSSIDer show the correct info, disable the QAM256 mode by setting the router to B/G/N mode for the 2.4GHz radio, and you should get the proper info displayed in the application.

sfx

FWIW - InSSIDer 2.1 shows the info correctly for 2.4GHz, however, it's not AC aware, so it shows the 5Ghz as 11n and 40Mhz for 11ac /80MHz channels.
 
Continuing on the "Mixed Mode" item - there's a couple of ways to advertise QAM256 (N600) capabilities

1) Proprietary Information Element in the beacon frame - 802.11 does allow for OEM specific extensions - Broadcom has implemented things this way with a extended IE

2) Include non-standard VHT information in the 2.4GHz Beacon Frame - this is what Marvell has done to indicate that the radio is programmed for QAM256, including supported MCS extensions and the like - basically, they're doing AC in 2.4GHz for 20 and 40 megahertz bandwidths - note that this goes away when the router is set to B/G/N mode or N-Only mode - then the Beacon frame is 802.11n/b/g spec-compliant.

Item 2 is why Metageek is reporting very wide channels - and may be part of the interop issues noted by Tim H in the WRT1900ac Review Part 2

If one is a member of the friendly user group - you might want to bring this up with your point of contact.
 
Hi,
I staㄱted a thread calling on WRT users there.
 
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Hi,
I stated a thread calling on WRT users there.

below.. and you can use my screen scrapes as well...


Tag: VHT Capabilities (IEEE Stc 802.11ac/D3.1)
Tag Number: VHT Capabilities (IEEE Stc 802.11ac/D3.1) (191)
Tag length: 12
VHT Capabilities Info: 0x339b7930
.... .... .... .... .... .... .... ..00 = Maximum MPDU Length: 3 895 (0x00000000)
.... .... .... .... .... .... .... 00.. = Supported Channel Width Set: Neither 160MHz nor 80+80 supported (0x00000000)
.... .... .... .... .... .... ...1 .... = Rx LDPC: Supported
.... .... .... .... .... .... ..1. .... = Short GI for 80MHz: Supported
.... .... .... .... .... .... .0.. .... = Short GI for 160MHz and 80+80MHz: Not supported
.... .... .... .... .... .... 0... .... = Tx STBC: Not supported
.... .... .... .... .... .001 .... .... = Rx STBC: 1 Spatial Stream Supported (0x00000001)
.... .... .... .... .... 1... .... .... = SU Beam-former Capable: Supported
.... .... .... .... ...1 .... .... .... = SU Beam-formee Capable: Supported
.... .... .... .... 011. .... .... .... = Compressed Steering Number of Beamformer Antennas Supported: 4 (0x00000003)
.... .... .... .011 .... .... .... .... = Number of Sounding Dimensions: 4 (0x00000003)
.... .... .... 1... .... .... .... .... = MU Beam-former Capable: Supported
.... .... ...1 .... .... .... .... .... = MU Beam-formee Capable: Supported
.... .... ..0. .... .... .... .... .... = VHT TXOP PS: Not supported
.... .... .0.. .... .... .... .... .... = +HTC-VHT Capable (VHT variant HT Control field): Not supported
.... ..11 1... .... .... .... .... .... = Max A-MPDU Length: 1 048 575 (0x00000007)
.... 00.. .... .... .... .... .... .... = VHT Link Adaptation: No Feedback (0x00000000)
...1 .... .... .... .... .... .... .... = Rx Antenna Pattern Consistency: Supported
..1. .... .... .... .... .... .... .... = Tx Antenna Pattern Consistency: Supported
00.. .... .... .... .... .... .... .... = Reserved: False
VHT Supported MCS Set
Rx MCS Map: 0xffea
.... .... .... ..10 = Rx 1 SS: MCS 0-9 (0x0002)
.... .... .... 10.. = Rx 2 SS: MCS 0-9 (0x0002)
.... .... ..10 .... = Rx 3 SS: MCS 0-9 (0x0002)
.... .... 11.. .... = Rx 4 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
.... ..11 .... .... = Rx 5 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
.... 11.. .... .... = Rx 6 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
..11 .... .... .... = Rx 7 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
11.. .... .... .... = Rx 8 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
...0 0000 0000 0000 = Rx Highest Long GI Data Rate (in Mb/s, 0 = subfield not in use): 0x0000
Tx MCS Map: 0xffea
.... .... .... ..10 = Tx 1 SS: MCS 0-9 (0x0002)
.... .... .... 10.. = Tx 2 SS: MCS 0-9 (0x0002)
.... .... ..10 .... = Tx 3 SS: MCS 0-9 (0x0002)
.... .... 11.. .... = Tx 4 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
.... ..11 .... .... = Tx 5 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
.... 11.. .... .... = Tx 6 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
..11 .... .... .... = Tx 7 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
11.. .... .... .... = Tx 8 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
...0 0000 0000 0000 = Tx Highest Long GI Data Rate (in Mb/s, 0 = subfield not in use): 0x0000
Tag: VHT Operation (IEEE Stc 802.11ac/D3.1)
Tag Number: VHT Operation (IEEE Stc 802.11ac/D3.1) (192)
Tag length: 5
VHT Operation Info
Channel Width: 20 MHz or 40 MHz (0x00)
Channel Center Segment 0: 0
Channel Center Segment 1: 0
Basic MCS Map: 0xffc0
.... .... .... ..00 = Basic 1 SS: MCS 0-7 (0x0000)
.... .... .... 00.. = Basic 2 SS: MCS 0-7 (0x0000)
.... .... ..00 .... = Basic 3 SS: MCS 0-7 (0x0000)
.... .... 11.. .... = Basic 4 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
.... ..11 .... .... = Basic 5 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
.... 11.. .... .... = Basic 6 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
..11 .... .... .... = Basic 7 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)
11.. .... .... .... = Basic 8 SS: Not Supported (0x0003)

 
Check the second page

I had that same problem until I realized that there were more than one page for the maps. Check to see if you have a second page.


Yes, my desktop, which is hard wired into the router, says it's not connected in network settings, but it is.

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Figured I might get in a quick post - rmerlin and speedingcheetah pretty much hit all of the salient points, and I agree with all of them.

a few points:

1) It's a solid consumer router where the current Firmware stands - it's not an enthusiast focused device with all sorts of parameters to tweak and tune, but that's ok - 98 percent of folks don't want/need/care - plug it in, and let it work perhaps - and there, it does a good job

2) The Menu/Dashboard - there's a few UX improvements that can be made here, mostly for discovery of features - it's a good effort, but sometimes it takes some digging around to find things like "reboot", as rmerlin noted...

3) With the very capable HW - this device begs for a "Pro" version where things can be tinkered about with...something between the consumer oriented SW/Dashboard now and OpenWRT, which from a UX perspective, isn't something most folks can even understand - those that do, can do some good things I think once the early issues are sorted with the OpenWRT team.

4) FOSS - go and grab the GPL dump from Linksys/Belkin's Web Site - lots of interesting things contained in that tarball...

5) Not really pointed at the WRT1900ac but more at the whole Linksys SmartWiFi concept - it would be pretty awesome to download apps onto the router and enable/tune features like OpenVPN, Backup, Wireless Site Survey, and other services - at the moment, it's pretty limited to external devices... there's a real missed opportunity here.

5a) SmartWifi - doesn't hole punch thru a NAT'ed environment BTW if trying to manage thru the cloud

6) The Storage Link/NAS functionality - didn't do much here, but noted that NTFS mounted fine and good performance for USB2 - didn't try the media server capabilities

Recommended Wireless Settings for best performance and coverage

SSID – can be common or different – depends on the clients – some work better than others when using dual-band functionality – for normal usage, I’ve left them common, for testing I used unique SSID’s

Network Mode – for 2.4Ghz, best performance and connectivity options with various clients was to set the WRT1900ac to B/G/N mode – the default “mixed” mode enabled N600 speeds, but introduces some 802.11ac low level attributes which can cause issues with some older clients.

Channel Width – for 2.4Ghz, 20MHz provides the best range, and is neighbor friendly – did see some issues where auto mode wouldn’t fallback, but compared to some older implementation (WRT610N and WRT160NL) auto is better than earlier implementations.

Channel Assignments – the WRT1900ac does not have a site survey built in, but using client tools such as InSSIDer (Windows), WiFi Explorer (Mac) can help out here and allow for a proper channel selection – for 5Ghz, many other AP’s will also default to 149, so again, a site survey is suggested

SSID Broadcast – leave it as default enabled – there’s no real reason to hide SSID’s these days, but the option is there.

Interop Testing

I grabbed some devices (no I don't own all of them)

1) Lenovo G575 – Ubuntu 12.04LTS/Win7.1 – Atheros AR9285 single stream B/G/N
2) Asus X200CA – Ubuntu 12.04LTS/Win8.1 - Ralink RT3290 B/G/N single stream w/Bluetooth
3) IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T420 = Ubuntu 12.04LTS – Intel 6205
4) MacBook Pro – OSX 10.9.2 - Broadcom BCM4331 3 stream A/B/G/N
5) MacBook Air – Broadcom BCM4360 2 stream A/B/G/N/AC
6) iMac 2006 – OSX 10.6.8 - Broadcom BCM4311 A/B/G
7) iPad Mini Retina – IOS 7.1.1 Broadcom BCM4334 A/B/G/N 2 stream
8) iPhone 5 – IOS 7.1.1 Broadcom BCM4334 A/B/G/N 1 stream
9) iPod Touch 4G – IOS 6.1.6 Broadcom BCM4329 B/G/N 1 stream
10) Asus USB-AC56 2 stream A/B/G/N/AC USB dongle
11) Buffalo - WLI-TX4-AG300N ethernet bridge (Dual Band, both bands tested)
12) Buffalo - WLI-UC-GNM USB Adapter - USB WiFi single stream (micro adapter)
13) DLink - DWL-G122 B1 - RT2500 based USB adapter - tested on Linux
14) Samsung Galaxy S4 - 802.11ac Single Stream A/B/G/N/AC
15) Kyocera Hydro - 802.11 b/g/n Android device
16) ASUS WL-330NUL in client mode - this is a USB N150 Travel Router
17) MacMini G4 - OSX 10.4 - old B/G with some Broadcom device in it
18) Linksys WPC55AC - ATH5K driver on Ubuntu 8.04LTS - Thinkpad 600c
19) A couple of game boxes - Nintendo Wii and Sony PS3 for 11g

Also a couple of AppleTV's (first gen and third gen), an HP Printer (OfficeJet something or other, it's 11n)

Basically, I threw a lot of stuff at the WRT1900ac, and once disabling N600 mode (see above), everything pretty much just worked...

All in all, it's a pretty solid consumer oriented N450/AC1300 three stream router - exceptional 2.4Ghz range, very good 5Ghz range... easy to configure, easy to use - N600 mode needs some work, and good potential for tuning/tweaking once OpenWRT comes on-line with stable builds.

sfx
 
A couple of more points:

1) Kudos to Linksys for having a psuedo-random initial password for Admin, and enabling of WPA2 out of the box - much better than having the device to default to no security and the well known "admin" password - see gripe below though for a minus one here...

2) WPS and Secure Easy Access - it supports push button and PIN methods for AP and client access

3) VLAN's - implemented in latest firmware - still need to look at this (if others have already investigated the functions here, please speak up)

Gripes -

Guest Networks - it defaults to enabled which I feel is bad - Linksys has implemented Guest Network functionality as Open WiFi (no security) with a Captive Portal - since the captive portal is Web based, I see this as a potential security issue if the WebServer is compromised - my preference here would be to also secure this with WPA2 for the initial attach request for guests, with a separate password, and either subnet them out to another NAT'ed block, or VLAN them transparently - and AP Client Isolation is a must there as well.

Cloud - out of box, Linksys really pushes this, and to this end, it asks to create an account with an email address - as part of this, it prompts for a password, and many folks might accidentally use their email password - not a good idea here - instead, generate a specific login for LinksysSmartWifi, and let the user create a password from there - one has to ask how many email passwords Linksys has accidentally collected here by bad User Interface design

sfx
 
4) FOSS - go and grab the GPL dump from Linksys/Belkin's Web Site - lots of interesting things contained in that tarball...

I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but... This GPL package lets you download and compile the all the components. But it doesn't seem to generate any firmware out of those compiled components, so I'm not sure I understand what's the point of it (beside providing the patches to comply with the GPL licence, and... prove that they can actually compile?)

So, no go on building your own modified firmware out of this (I was hoping to maybe at least be able to slap a telnetd in there).
 
I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but... This GPL package lets you download and compile the all the components. But it doesn't seem to generate any firmware out of those compiled components, so I'm not sure I understand what's the point of it (beside providing the patches to comply with the GPL licence, and... prove that they can actually compile?)

So, no go on building your own modified firmware out of this (I was hoping to maybe at least be able to slap a telnetd in there).

They had to post something to comply to GPL compliance - so they did... and the patches - would have been better to perhaps put something together that would result in a bootable image - still interesting things there.

See the Marvell WLAN driver stuff with release notes?

sfx
 
They had to post something to comply to GPL compliance - so they did... and the patches - would have been better to perhaps put something together that would result in a bootable image - still interesting things there.

See the Marvell WLAN driver stuff with release notes?

sfx

Yes, but nothing striking me as special there. I knew they already published the source code a few weeks ago, they even had a repo on Github which seems to appear and disappear over time.
 
sfx, Re: "N600" mode in 2.4 GHz, you mean 256 QAM rates, correct?

If so, that's good advice. I've seen little/no benefit to "TurboQAM" so far. I think it causes more problems than it is worth.
 

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