NETGEAR Suing ASUS For Wireless Hanky Panky

[azazel1024]

If ASUS did this--submitted one version to the FCC with lower power, but selling higher power units to the public--then I get it. That is pretty shady, puts Netgear at an unfair competitive disadvantage, and is pretty shady on the part of ASUS.

I, however, will enjoy my illegal output. I'm on 4 acres of land--I'm not interfering with anyone.

That's how I roll to. Okay, not really as I am only on an acre and thus I am very jealous of you. However, using my inSSIDer and my laptop roving my house, I can pick-up 2 wireless networks on one side of my house and 3 on the other side. The strongest signal I can pickup on any of them inside my house is -87db and most are in the mid -90's.

Even outside walking to my property line, the strongest one doesn't go over -60db.

I could use more signal strength, though it still wouldn't result in great coverage of my house. I have a masonry chimney and fireplace in my living room and it covers about +/-40% of the wall between my living room and family room of my house. So any resonable location for a WAP/router would leave a portion of my house with crummy coverage, especially in 5ghz.

So I have to run a pair on either end of my house for really good coverage (one in the family room and one in my basement office). That gives me no worse than -55db of coverage in all spots of my house using a couple of Netgear 3500L.

I certainly wouldn't mind even better signal strength though and it isn't like my neighbors are likely to notice anything until we are talking amping the signal by an order of magnitude or so.

At some point I need to run fiber out to my shed and plop a WAP out there so I can get good coverage in my backyard, as by my kids' play set and hammock/chairs near it, about 100ft from either WAP and several walls, the signal pretty much drops out completely (my phone alternates between one bar and switching over to 4G).

I get where Netgear is coming from, but I won't complain since I am eyeing up the Asus models.

Also, it is too bad there isn't a resonable way to do an FCC license/waiver for operating at higher power outputs in "rural" areas. Make it a cheap application and waiver to buy and operate high output gear for rural areas (something that can do, say 2-4w Tx with bigger antennas).

 

[Asmodian]

Also, it is too bad there isn't a resonable way to do an FCC license/waiver for operating at higher power outputs in "rural" areas. Make it a cheap application and waiver to buy and operate high output gear for rural areas (something that can do, say 2-4w Tx with bigger antennas).

Though if there was I would expect lots of the high output gear showing up in dense urban areas too.

 

[MastarPete]

Why cant netgear just stop wasting time with this,
I say, just make a router with a 1500 watt transmit power, and a wifi adapter for client devices that also does 1500 watts (they allow it for HAM radio, so why not wifi )

Geebus!!! I hope that's just sarcasm!

I for one will pass on having a client device, let alone an in-home router, capable of cooking myself and my dinner. Besides, wifi already does a number on my phone battery as it is!!!

 

[stevech]

I wouldn't want more than about 500mW radiated at 2.4GHz within 3 ft of me.

It's easy to get more than that with, say, 50mW (high-norm) into a 14dBi panel antenna.
Much less a 27dBi parabolic.

Just don't kiss the antenna.

(Ham radio guys run 1000W+ but only in the low bands, like under 20MHz).

 

[sfx2000]

I wouldn't want more than about 500mW radiated at 2.4GHz within 3 ft of me.

It's easy to get more than that with, say, 50mW (high-norm) into a 14dBi panel antenna.
Much less a 27dBi parabolic.

Just don't kiss the antenna.

(Ham radio guys run 1000W+ but only in the low bands, like under 20MHz).

Well, as long as my toaster doesn't start printing twitter feeds (hmmm... business plan perhaps?)

 

[remixedcat]

I wouldn't want more than about 500mW radiated at 2.4GHz within 3 ft of me.

It's easy to get more than that with, say, 50mW (high-norm) into a 14dBi panel antenna.
Much less a 27dBi parabolic.

Just don't kiss the antenna.

(Ham radio guys run 1000W+ but only in the low bands, like under 20MHz).

i had 1w and 700mw 3 ft away from me and im ok

 

[L&LD]

i had 1w and 700mw 3 ft away from me and im ok

I can see you glowing around the edges.

 

[stevech]

i had 1w and 700mw 3 ft away from me and im ok

Ever used a "Family Radio Service" walkie-talkie? Or GMRS walkie-talkie? Those are high frequency.

And 1,000mW or more.

Not to worry. In RF transmission in air, the inverse square law is your friend.

Double the distance, halve the power. 1cm, 2cm, 4cm, 8cm, ... each doubling of distance halves the power at that greater distance.
Nice that laws of physics work that way else we'd not be able to receive signals from the Voyager spacecraft which are now about
19,000,000,000,000 meters from the earth.

and when that doubles to
38,000,000,000,000 meters
the difference will be half (3dB)

 

[remixedcat]

I used some big ol motorola one but I don't remember what the specs were

 

[Razor512]

But if they allow wifi routers to run at 1500 watts, then they can add additional features, for example, they can make the wifi antennas pointy, and add a little drip tray under then, that way you can shove a few pieces of beef on them, then launch netflix, and have a movie time snack ready within a few minutes.

It will also allow the wifi router to keep you warm while you transfer data.

It would be good branding, for example, if asus decided to go with 1500 watts, then it will be a new form of advertising, for example, you walk by the neighbors house and feel warm (at least with NY style homes), then you go like "oh they must have an asus router"

same if netgear decided to do it


Also havent you always wanted a router that could keep your food or coffee warm . you can have all of that benefit in addition to good range by allowing for 1500 watts.

 

[RMerlin]

But what about global warming?

 

[SNB_1]

Reviving this topic. Looks like ASUS indeed cheated.

http://www.techhive.com/article/289...the-fcc-fined-the-router-maker-last-year.html

 

[thiggins]

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-news/32646-netgear-asus-lawsuit-settled

 

[W4RH34D]

instead of looking into other companies, if netgear spent that time on themselves maybe they'd have a decent product. LoL

 

[sinshiva]

how will asus survive?!

an aside, i picked up a netgear cm400 after having switched ISPs last week... that thing died in an hour. >.> - my 'Zoom' cablemodem is flying, though. who the hell is Zoom?

 

[sm00thpapa]

Netgear always crying! Wha, Wha, Wha! I bought a Netgear R6050 and returned it after an hour of ownership. Pure garbage. Long live Asus! LOL!

 

[microchip]

Netgear always crying! Wha, Wha, Wha! I bought a Netgear R6050 and returned it after an hour of ownership. Pure garbage. Long live Asus! LOL!

On the other hand, my R7000 seems to work like a horse

 

[sm00thpapa]

On the other hand, my R7000 seems to work like a horse

If it wasn't for DD-WRT you would have returned it already. LOL! J/K! Enjoy the once a year firmware upgrades.

 

[microchip]

If it wasn't for DD-WRT you would have returned it already. LOL! J/K! Enjoy the once a year firmware upgrades.

Not sure what you're talking about. First, I've never used DD-WRT as I have no need for all of its functionality. Second, since I bought my R7000 in January 2015, I'm already on the third firmware and am currently testing a trial FW for NETGEAR because I reported some IPv6 issues and they send me trials to see if they are resolved

Don't assume that just because you had a bad apple, all stuff from a specific company must be bad. If I were to do the same, I can yell at ASUS too for the many bugs they introduce with each new release, not to mention the rush to market of new devices with half-baked FW (but that's pretty much how every company does it)

 

[sm00thpapa]

Not sure what you're talking about. First, I've never used DD-WRT as I have no need for all of its functionality. Second, since I bought my R7000 in January 2015, I'm already on the third firmware and am currently testing a trial FW for NETGEAR because I reported some IPv6 issues and they send me trials to see if they are resolved

Don't assume that just because you had a bad apple, all stuff from a specific company must be bad. If I were to do the same, I can yell at ASUS too for the many bugs they introduce with each new release, not to mention the rush to market of new devices with half-baked FW (but that's pretty much how every company does it)

Last stock firmware was Dec 2014 and before that was Nov 2013.

Enjoy your R7000. If it works for you that's great.